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Sebastian Mares
post Apr 18 2006, 19:28
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In case anyone is interested, Plextor is going to launch Plextor Premium 2 CD-RW units in Japan: http://www.cdrinfo.com/Sections/News/Detai...px?NewsId=16821


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Triza
post Apr 19 2006, 19:49
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DAE-wise my Liteon CD-RW beats it big time! That is all I am after. Yes I did the tests. (Small offset, overreading do not interest me.) Having said that I had two different Liteon vintage and they do perform differently. But they both have accurate C2, which is also important for me.

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post Apr 19 2006, 20:28
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QUOTE (Triza @ Apr 19 2006, 06:49 PM) *
DAE-wise my Liteon CD-RW beats it big time!


I cannot confirm this ... no other drive I have ever owned (and I do/did own lots of 'em - including Liteys) could beat the two Premiums I bought when it comes to overall DAE capabilities ... with Plextools Pro, the Premium is unbeatable IMO.

Most Liteys are good drives for DAE and are up to par with the Premium (or other competitors) in 98% of all cases ... but the remaining 2% (damaged discs, copy protections) are the margin that makes a true DAE champion ...

BTW ... there still do exist occasions when I plug in my old SCSI host adapter and re-activate my PX-40TSi ... biggrin.gif

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post Apr 20 2006, 00:43
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QUOTE (JeanLuc @ Apr 19 2006, 11:28 AM) *
QUOTE (Triza @ Apr 19 2006, 06:49 PM) *

DAE-wise my Liteon CD-RW beats it big time!


I cannot confirm this ... no other drive I have ever owned (and I do/did own lots of 'em - including Liteys) could beat the two Premiums I bought when it comes to overall DAE capabilities ... with Plextools Pro, the Premium is unbeatable IMO.

Most Liteys are good drives for DAE and are up to par with the Premium (or other competitors) in 98% of all cases ... but the remaining 2% (damaged discs, copy protections) are the margin that makes a true DAE champion ...

BTW ... there still do exist occasions when I plug in my old SCSI host adapter and re-activate my PX-40TSi ... biggrin.gif


Well I did the DAE tests found on the EAC website. I had to make a very forgiving disc because PX-716A so crap that using my old test disc it crapped out with "read error". It stopped ripping. No other drive did that before. I used that test disc for years on a number of drives. They all muddled through. With the new disc PX-716A was so-so. It did correct errors but it does not interpolate at all. The error spikes were up to -12 dB. Unacceptable. Premium was shit as well if there was no retry. Only improved if you retried 20 times. Even then there were a lot of errors. Albeit around -50 -60 dB, which is inaudible apparently. This was using Plextools 2.28. When I upgraded to 2.32 Premium did performed worse. I repeated this several times. It is 100% repeatable. That is why I know that Plextools does more than just majority decision that EAC does. Plextools which is unbeliably buggy stuff all the time, just look at the change log got screwed up in 2.32 as far as error correction is concerned.

And now my Liteon CD-RW: It ripped the "forgiving" disc in burst mode within approx 3 mins without any errors. Got that. No errors! In every 6-7th case it made an error, but it was around -70 dB and it was a single bar in the chart. The Liteon that costs 15 pounds against 80 pound Premium, which needs several hours to get somewhat close to this and even that was worse.

Why do you thing I mentioned in a Premium thread here that I was ebaying it. Thankfully I managed to sell it for 40 quid. Yes I made some loss, but I did not need it, so otherwise I would have lost that 40 too.

Naturally PX-716A is not just worse DAEwise, but it had serious manufacturing issues. Mine needed to be RMA-ed, too. I kept the RMA-ed one though.

I can afford to spend money on quality, but Plextor failed me twice. Besides any SW engineer would be horrified seeing the kind of bugs Plextools used to have and still has. They have serious problems, and they are not better DAEwise.

Plextor DAE superiority is just the usual bu****it trotted out in the internet. I've been there done that.
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Posts in this topic
- Sebastian Mares   Plextor Premium 2   Apr 18 2006, 19:28
- - ChangFest   Very good news. I've wanted a Premium ever sin...   Apr 18 2006, 22:11
- - Klyith   Down with Plextor Beyond the questionable (IMH...   Apr 19 2006, 05:55
- - Sebastian Mares   Yes.   Apr 19 2006, 08:13
- - ChangFest   Yes as well.   Apr 19 2006, 17:28
- - vitos   Interesting. Can you give any reasons why you real...   Apr 19 2006, 18:22
- - Sebastian Mares   Supports over-reading into the lead-out, has a ver...   Apr 19 2006, 18:54
- - Triza   DAE-wise my Liteon CD-RW beats it big time! Th...   Apr 19 2006, 19:49
|- - JeanLuc   QUOTE (Triza @ Apr 19 2006, 06:49 PM) DAE...   Apr 19 2006, 20:28
|- - micmac   QUOTE (JeanLuc @ Apr 19 2006, 01:28 PM) M...   Apr 19 2006, 21:10
|- - Triza   QUOTE (JeanLuc @ Apr 19 2006, 11:28 AM) Q...   Apr 20 2006, 00:43
- - ChangFest   I've never had a problem with my PX-716A. I...   Apr 20 2006, 03:22
|- - Triza   QUOTE (ChangFest @ Apr 19 2006, 06:22 PM)...   Apr 20 2006, 08:49
|- - JeanLuc   QUOTE (Triza @ Apr 20 2006, 07:49 AM) And...   Apr 20 2006, 18:50
- - Sebastian Mares   Maybe it's just me, but this conversation leav...   Apr 20 2006, 09:59
|- - Triza   QUOTE (Sebastian Mares @ Apr 20 2006, 12...   Apr 20 2006, 10:27
- - ChangFest   QUOTE (Triza)And consider yourself lucky with PX-7...   Apr 20 2006, 13:00
- - outscape   while it looks tempting i must say: that's it?...   Apr 20 2006, 15:26
- - Never_Again   Not counting daydreaming about a new SCSI drive, a...   Apr 30 2006, 00:48
- - HypnoToad   What you all fail to mention about the PlexWriter ...   May 30 2006, 08:47
|- - Never_Again   HypnoToad wrote: >What you all fail to mention...   May 30 2006, 13:26
- - Sebastian Mares   CDs sound better? Is that even possible?   May 30 2006, 10:02
- - Firon   I remember it being discussed here before, it...   May 30 2006, 11:40
- - HisInfernalMajesty   From what I've read this "Audio Master Qu...   May 30 2006, 16:22


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