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Nero 7.2 Released, Nero Releases Huge Update of its Flagship Product
Ivan Dimkovic
post Apr 25 2006, 17:50
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I am pleased to announce that Nero has released big update of Nero package just few minutes ago.

http://www.nero.com/nero7/eng/11793.html

List of the new and updated features is quite impressive, but for HA users I think the most interesting update is completely new AAC encoder in the Nero Burning Rom / Wave Editor and SoundTrax.

This update represents a new Nero 7 milestone in the long list of free monthly updates! It is packed with new features for your favorite applications and even offers Blu-ray Disc data recording support.

In addition to this update, there will be one major suprise this week, especially targeted to audio communities. So, stay tuned.

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post Apr 25 2006, 18:08
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Could you give more information about the new AAC encoder? What are the changes? Are there new features?
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post Apr 25 2006, 18:13
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The new AAC encoder sounds great, but is it worth the hassle of a mandatory NeroHome & ShowTime?
If Nero shipped with a version of NCAB I'd be all over this one smile.gif

edit - almost forgot Nero scout! There are instructions to delete most of the unwanted features (remind anybody of Roxio in the bad old days?) but this is too much work.
Something like this would be ideal: http://www.msfn.org/board/index.php?act=ST&f=80&t=44603

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Ivan Dimkovic
post Apr 25 2006, 18:14
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Hard to say what has been changed as the whole encoder and the plug-in for Nero are completely new smile.gif

Encoder is built on our new technology, it supports ABR, CBR and quality-based VBR coding modes and it fixes issues that were known with the old encoder - it should also be noticeably faster than the old AAC encoder.

It supports HE-AAC, HE-AAC v2 and LC-AAC. SBR mode has been proven to be leading the HE-AAC encoder race, and hopefully LC-AAC in this new AAC will follow, as the ABR bug is fixed.

Also, as I mentioned - there will be an additional big surprise for audio communities, which will also add the first in the world public 2-pass AAC encoding as well as some very hot things - but about this, I will give more details later this week smile.gif
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post Apr 25 2006, 18:17
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Huge is the right word smile.gif

Without sounding too ungrateful, is it possible to get Nero to cut the size of the suite down? It's got to a point where I don't bother using my (licensed) copy any more, I just installed burnerxp, dvd decrypter and dvd shrink (all free) and don't miss that fat startup-folder stuffing suite any more.
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post Apr 25 2006, 18:20
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QUOTE (seanyseansean @ Apr 25 2006, 09:17 AM) *
Without sounding too ungrateful, is it possible to get Nero to cut the size of the suite down? It's got to a point where I don't bother using my (licensed) copy any more, I just installed burnerxp, dvd decrypter and dvd shrink (all free) and don't miss that fat startup-folder stuffing suite any more.
I have the same problem on my Windows machine. I really like Nero, and would recommend it to others, but the increasing bloat in new versions makes me less and less keen to install it after a reformat. It's a pity - because it's a nice piece of software with some great features.


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Ivan Dimkovic
post Apr 25 2006, 18:21
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The new AAC encoder sounds great, but is it worth the hassle of a mandatory NeroHome & ShowTime?


Nero Home and ShowTime are also great products smile.gif

But - yes, for AAC lovers there will be a very nice surprise this week which might help in this case, too wink.gif

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post Apr 25 2006, 18:31
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QUOTE (Ivan Dimkovic @ Apr 25 2006, 07:21 PM) *
But - yes, for AAC lovers there will be a very nice surprise this week which might help in this case, too wink.gif


Is it that what I think it is? tongue.gif


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post Apr 25 2006, 18:33
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QUOTE (cabbagerat @ Apr 25 2006, 07:20 PM) *
QUOTE (seanyseansean @ Apr 25 2006, 09:17 AM) *

Without sounding too ungrateful, is it possible to get Nero to cut the size of the suite down? It's got to a point where I don't bother using my (licensed) copy any more, I just installed burnerxp, dvd decrypter and dvd shrink (all free) and don't miss that fat startup-folder stuffing suite any more.
I have the same problem on my Windows machine. I really like Nero, and would recommend it to others, but the increasing bloat in new versions makes me less and less keen to install it after a reformat. It's a pity - because it's a nice piece of software with some great features.

Oh come on. I'll be the first one to admit that it's bloated. But.. The installer is 100MB. In the age of broadband, that is nothing. And you can install only the parts that you want. So it's like bitching that you get stuff for free. That's like... well, dumb. What you should bitch about, are the shitloads of unfixed bugs. Though I have to admit I haven't tried this new version. But I'm sure there are still some left. wink.gif


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post Apr 25 2006, 18:51
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QUOTE (Gambit @ Apr 25 2006, 06:33 PM) *
QUOTE (cabbagerat @ Apr 25 2006, 07:20 PM) *

QUOTE (seanyseansean @ Apr 25 2006, 09:17 AM) *

Without sounding too ungrateful, is it possible to get Nero to cut the size of the suite down? It's got to a point where I don't bother using my (licensed) copy any more, I just installed burnerxp, dvd decrypter and dvd shrink (all free) and don't miss that fat startup-folder stuffing suite any more.
I have the same problem on my Windows machine. I really like Nero, and would recommend it to others, but the increasing bloat in new versions makes me less and less keen to install it after a reformat. It's a pity - because it's a nice piece of software with some great features.

Oh come on. I'll be the first one to admit that it's bloated. But.. The installer is 100MB. In the age of broadband, that is nothing. And you can install only the parts that you want. So it's like bitching that you get stuff for free. That's like... well, dumb. What you should bitch about, are the shitloads of unfixed bugs. Though I have to admit I haven't tried this new version. But I'm sure there are still some left. wink.gif


It's not just the size, it's more like I have to tweak the install and fettle around afterwards to get it how I want it, like getting rid of the startup crud such as the filter check. Nero is great at burning stuff but Ahead are selling it as a full multimedia library thang with fat icons everywhere and non standard GUIs. This is great for newbs but I just want a nice inobtrusive burner component.

And yes you can install the bits you want but when i'm installing a PC I want installs that need about 3 clicks to get installed. Not ones where i've got to select and deselect from the defaults. I'd rather the components were seperate installs, maybe with a 'host' app that the newbs can use which installs the lot. An msi version would be great too.

It's like Symantec with their antivirus - the home version is hideous, all fat icons and multiple running processes taking loads of memory and cpu, but the corporate version is more slimmed down and to the point. That's the version I want.

This isn't to say Nero isn't great, because it is. It's just not aimed at my market. Just my opinion.
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post Apr 25 2006, 19:01
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QUOTE (Gambit @ Apr 25 2006, 06:33 PM) *
Oh come on. I'll be the first one to admit that it's bloated. But.. The installer is 100MB. In the age of broadband, that is nothing.

Some people don't have access to such technologies (for financial or geographic reason). I recall that the full package is necessary even for correcting a small bug. There's probably a solution for pleasing people who can't easily download 124 MB (Nero 7.0 was 100 MB: from where are these 24 MB coming from? BluRay support?) and that's probably why people are complaining about. Imaging Windows Update forcing people to download 1GB each month because we're in the broadband age wink.gif Bugfixes are mostly available for less than 1 MB - thus available for everyone.

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post Apr 25 2006, 19:08
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Well, the only thing that disturbs me is that Nero doesn't officially offer BT downloads (or do they?). I am currently downloading at 10 KB/s although I could download 20x faster than that. Going to offer a torrent after having the file on my HDD.


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post Apr 25 2006, 19:17
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QUOTE (Sebastian Mares @ Apr 25 2006, 08:08 PM) *
Well, the only thing that disturbs me is that Nero doesn't officially offer BT downloads (or do they?).


Please check the facts, before complaining. Thanks. BT support has been offered for several months.

http://nero-mirror.com/software/Nero7/7.2....ytb.exe.torrent

Edit: Unfortunately, that server is *also* overloaded by now smile.gif


QUOTE (guruboolez @ Apr 25 2006, 08:01 PM) *
(Nero 7.0 was 100 MB: from where are these 24 MB coming from? BluRay support?)


Working online updates smile.gif

Edit: *sigh*

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post Apr 25 2006, 19:27
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QUOTE (Ivan Dimkovic @ Apr 25 2006, 06:14 PM) *
Hard to say what has been changed as the whole encoder and the plug-in for Nero are completely new smile.gif

Encoder is built on our new technology, it supports ABR, CBR and quality-based VBR coding modes and it fixes issues that were known with the old encoder - it should also be noticeably faster than the old AAC encoder.

It supports HE-AAC, HE-AAC v2 and LC-AAC. SBR mode has been proven to be leading the HE-AAC encoder race, and hopefully LC-AAC in this new AAC will follow, as the ABR bug is fixed.

Also, as I mentioned - there will be an additional big surprise for audio communities, which will also add the first in the world public 2-pass AAC encoding as well as some very hot things - but about this, I will give more details later this week smile.gif

Thanks for answering smile.gif
What about the VBR profiles? Are they still present or are they replaced by something else (like a slider alla faac, vorbis, mpc...)? Could you be more precise about the gain speed (I know it usually depends on CPU, but an approximative % would be nice)? Is Intensity Stereo available for low-bitrate LC encodings?
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To be honest, I kinda liked Nero 4 and 5 best. I had OEM Versions (and still have a Nero 6 OEM) and the reason why I always preferred Nero to WinOnCD, especially in the days of Nero 4 was the size and the functionality. I think Nero 4 was 10 MB to download. I can imagine that there are some people like me who don't need all these media thingies. I'd like to try out Nero AAC (though I don't own a DAP that supports it) and use the burning interface. I don't need a media center. I don't need Nero Video, as I use x264. To be honest, I don't even need Nero AAC, but I'd like to try it biggrin.gif. Not that Nero's current way is a wrong one; I'm pretty sure there are people out there who like it, but I'd better like a non- bloated version, the same (burning)capabilities, but less eyecandy etc.
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QUOTE (Garf @ Apr 25 2006, 10:17 PM) *

Wow, 542 megabytes for an update! Sounds reasonable!
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Really, aren't there smaller packages? BTW, I couldn't find the BT links on Nero's homepage.


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Ivan Dimkovic
post Apr 25 2006, 20:09
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QUOTE (guruboolez @ Apr 25 2006, 06:27 PM) *
QUOTE (Ivan Dimkovic @ Apr 25 2006, 06:14 PM) *

Hard to say what has been changed as the whole encoder and the plug-in for Nero are completely new smile.gif

Encoder is built on our new technology, it supports ABR, CBR and quality-based VBR coding modes and it fixes issues that were known with the old encoder - it should also be noticeably faster than the old AAC encoder.

It supports HE-AAC, HE-AAC v2 and LC-AAC. SBR mode has been proven to be leading the HE-AAC encoder race, and hopefully LC-AAC in this new AAC will follow, as the ABR bug is fixed.

Also, as I mentioned - there will be an additional big surprise for audio communities, which will also add the first in the world public 2-pass AAC encoding as well as some very hot things - but about this, I will give more details later this week smile.gif

Thanks for answering smile.gif
What about the VBR profiles? Are they still present or are they replaced by something else (like a slider alla faac, vorbis, mpc...)? Could you be more precise about the gain speed (I know it usually depends on CPU, but an approximative % would be nice)? Is Intensity Stereo available for low-bitrate LC encodings?



VBR profiles are now working as the full quality scale. As far as the speed goes I have no exact figures here as it has been long time I checked the old encoder out, but I'll see if I can dig something.
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QUOTE (Mo0zOoH @ Apr 25 2006, 09:01 PM) *
QUOTE (Garf @ Apr 25 2006, 10:17 PM) *

Wow, 542 megabytes for an update! Sounds reasonable!
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Really, aren't there smaller packages? BTW, I couldn't find the BT links on Nero's homepage.


It's 120M as noted above. Only the all languages thing is so big. BT links are in "Download Mirrors"
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OK, I think I will have to correct my statement a bit. I have nothing against the installer, if it would actually work. When I unselect something, it usually means that I DON'T want it installed. Not in the Nero world:


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Nero Scout ? seems like a search files function but you can disable it.


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QUOTE (kurtnoise @ Apr 25 2006, 09:30 PM) *
Nero Scout ? seems like a search files function but you can disable it.

The point is, I didn't even install it. So why should I have to disable it now?


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QUOTE (kurtnoise @ Apr 25 2006, 08:30 PM) *
Nero Scout ? seems like a search files function but you can disable it.


Which is another reason I have to dick around with hijackthis and spybot after installing beasts like this.

Ahead's problem is they consider their bloat to not be a problem, but only in isolation. Real, Microsoft, Adobe and countless other companies assume that you want all theirs too - their startup items and 'search' bars, automatic indexing (with associated system tray icons), automatic 'updates' that remind you to buy the new version... etc. In isolation they're tolerable, but when >1 of these fat apps is installed together they hog resources and make my machine take appreciably longer to load and run stuff.

This is on top of the huge Creative audio drivers, plus the digital camera ones with their media detectors and online printing service links, printer tray applets and toner reminders, antivirus apps with their ridiculous 100mb+ installs and multiple tray icons... etc.

Ahead has great developers, I just don't like their marketing department.

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Ivan, I see you cannot "fine-tune" the encoder using the Nero front-end any longer, which I see as a plus since the old dialog was buggy and confusing.
I take that the encoder triggers SBR and PS according to the target bitrate desired, but when is it actually triggered?


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Great!

2 pass mode in future?
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