mpc, rest in peace, Note: bumped from 2006 starting with post #78 Options

[Squeller]

The last article in the mpc forums is from July 1st. This is more than dead.

Isn't it time to remove the direct links to mpc forums? mpc is like a dead limb in ha.

This post has been edited by Squeller: Aug 9 2006, 07:12

[Lefungus]

Building support for Commodore 64 and Atari ST is not exactly the kind of argument users are waiting for.
BTW, no need watch the source to see that MPC isn't progressing. VQF is still closed source and everyone can guess that the format is dead.

It's open-source, or "Code it and add it yourself if you're unhappy". For some people, wide decoding support is important. It certainly was for me. Libmpcdec works on almost every known platform. Mplayer and VLC added support for it. I know I will not depend anymore on some winamp plugins to listen to mpc files on linux.

About attacks on the musepack.net site
Initial goals were :
- to set up a unique place where all mpc related cod and binaries could be downloaded. (ok)
- to set up a sample database with problematic samples (dead)
- update xmms/gtk code. (ok)
And a few other things I forgot. It's quite similar to some todo Frank Klemm posted about musepack a long time ago on those forums (Donation thread).

While I don't necessarily agree with how the site is currently handled, I also find the current 'anti-mpc' crusade on HA pointless. The codec, if dead, will fade away naturally without all the fuss and drama around. Deleting the forums can't be backed up by any valid argument.

The corpse is only moving by the energy of small worms

Thanks

This post has been edited by Lefungus: Aug 9 2006, 00:29

[guruboolez]

It's open-source, or "Code it and add it yourself if you're unhappy". For some people, wide decoding support is important. It certainly was for me. Libmpcdec works on almost every known platform. Mplayer and VLC added support for it. I know I will not depend anymore on some winamp plugins to listen to mpc files on linux.

The point of the debate isn't to see if adding support for Solaris or even Linux important is, but if such development could be used as argument to say if the format is dead or not. If someone would hack a vqf decoder and then code tons of plug-ins for a myriad of players working on all existing OS, would someone say: "hey, look, vqf is living again?" I doubt so. Therefore, coding new support for rare platforms doesn't really count as argument prooving that a format is alive rather than dead.

Anyway, most people are using Windows. Moreover, people using high-quality encoders are usually looking for additional improvements rather than support for FreeBSD. People are happy when a new release of LAME, Nero Digital or aoTuV is done - not when the source code is successfully compiled on an esoteric OS. This is what a majority of person are expecting. Do you imagine the success of the PC Donation campaign if it was done on the theme of "library maintenance"? Frank Klemm would earn a new mouse, at best...

While I don't necessarily agree with how the site is currently handled, I also find the current 'anti-mpc' crusade on HA pointless.

Another crusade? Wow!
You know, several formats disappeared from the scene without any noise: vqf, mp3pro, realaudio, atrac... Why is there problem with MPC in your opinion? Isn't it linked to the fact that some person very fond of this format are still posting unverified, outdated or simply wrong claims about different kind of self-proclaimed superior points over other formats?

Deleting the forums can't be backed up by any valid argument.

Again, why burden the board with deserted forums? WMA, VQF, MP3Pro, ATRAC didn't own their own couple of forums on HA.org foundation;if only active or popular ones got their dedicated boards it was for a reason: clarity and usefulness. Now MPC isn't active nor attractive, even on the specialized board which was the birthplace of MPC community. So it would be logical to put MPC where it now belongs: in the potpourri forum called 'other lossy formats' among atrac, vqf and wma. And to give instead a dedicated place for the new popular formats like flac or wavpack.

The corpse is only moving by the energy of small worms

Thanks

You're welcome

This post has been edited by guruboolez: Aug 9 2006, 01:20