single .ape file missing cuesheet Options

[prima1]

hi
i have a single .ape file (entire album) but i don't have the cuesheet to go with it and its not tagged
i used freedb2.org and freedb2cue to generate .cue file by saving the cdinfo from freedb2.org as a text file and uploading to freedb2cue
the thing is freedb2.org has 2 entries for the same albume the DISCID is the same for both but the track lengthes are a little different
here are the 2 cuesheets generated

CODE

TITLE "John Williams / Romance of the Guitar"
FILE "Romance of the Guitar.ape" WAVE
  TRACK 01 AUDIO
    TITLE "Romance"
    INDEX 01 00:00:00
  TRACK 02 AUDIO
    TITLE "Pavane (Faure)"
    INDEX 01 03:21:27
  TRACK 03 AUDIO
    TITLE "Sunburst (York)"
    INDEX 01 08:29:70
  TRACK 04 AUDIO
    TITLE "Una limosna por el amor de Dios (Barrios)"
    INDEX 01 12:06:22
  TRACK 05 AUDIO
    TITLE "Asturias (Albeniz)"
    INDEX 01 15:36:12
  TRACK 06 AUDIO
    TITLE "Gymnopedie no. 3 (Satie)"
    INDEX 01 21:39:00
  TRACK 07 AUDIO
    TITLE "El condor pasa (Simon)"
    INDEX 01 24:10:42
  TRACK 08 AUDIO
    TITLE "Cavatina from the Deer Hunter (Myers)"
    INDEX 01 28:00:45
  TRACK 09 AUDIO
    TITLE "Verano porteno (Piazzolla)"
    INDEX 01 31:12:02
  TRACK 10 AUDIO
    TITLE "Scherzino mexicano (Ponce)"
    INDEX 01 35:57:35
  TRACK 11 AUDIO
    TITLE "Berceuse (Brouwer)"
    INDEX 01 38:29:62
  TRACK 12 AUDIO
    TITLE "Natalia (Lauro)"
    INDEX 01 42:25:30
  TRACK 13 AUDIO
    TITLE "Dance from La Vida Breve (Falla)"
    INDEX 01 45:16:37
  TRACK 14 AUDIO
    TITLE "Planxty Madame Maxwell (O'Carolan)"
    INDEX 01 48:39:45
  TRACK 15 AUDIO
    TITLE "Epitafios 3 (Theodorakis)"
    INDEX 01 50:32:47
  TRACK 16 AUDIO
    TITLE "Prelude from Lute Suite No. 4 (J. S. Bach)"
    INDEX 01 54:07:50
  TRACK 17 AUDIO
    TITLE "Sonata in E Major (Scarlatti)"
    INDEX 01 58:29:12
  TRACK 18 AUDIO
    TITLE "III. Allegro (Vivaldi)"
    INDEX 01 62:39:00
  TRACK 19 AUDIO
    TITLE "Adagio from Concierto de Aranjuez (Rodrigo)"
    INDEX 01 64:48:50

CODE

TITLE "John Williams / Romance of the Guitar"
FILE "Romance of The Guitar.ape" WAVE
  TRACK 01 AUDIO
    TITLE "Romance"
    INDEX 01 00:00:00
  TRACK 02 AUDIO
    TITLE "Faure - Pavane"
    INDEX 01 03:21:29
  TRACK 03 AUDIO
    TITLE "York - Sunburst"
    INDEX 01 08:29:71
  TRACK 04 AUDIO
    TITLE "Barrios - Una Limosna Por El Amor De Dios"
    INDEX 01 12:06:24
  TRACK 05 AUDIO
    TITLE "Albeniz - Asturias"
    INDEX 01 15:36:14
  TRACK 06 AUDIO
    TITLE "Satie - Gymnopedie No. 3"
    INDEX 01 21:39:01
  TRACK 07 AUDIO
    TITLE "Simon - El Condor Pasa"
    INDEX 01 24:10:44
  TRACK 08 AUDIO
    TITLE "Myers - Cavatina From The Deer Hunter"
    INDEX 01 28:00:45
  TRACK 09 AUDIO
    TITLE "Piazzolla - Verano Porteno"
    INDEX 01 31:12:03
  TRACK 10 AUDIO
    TITLE "Ponce - Scherzino Mexicano"
    INDEX 01 35:57:37
  TRACK 11 AUDIO
    TITLE "Brouwer - Berceuse"
    INDEX 01 38:29:63
  TRACK 12 AUDIO
    TITLE "Lauro - Natalia"
    INDEX 01 42:25:32
  TRACK 13 AUDIO
    TITLE "Falla - Dance From La Vida Breve"
    INDEX 01 45:16:39
  TRACK 14 AUDIO
    TITLE "O'Carolan - Planxty Madame Maxwell"
    INDEX 01 48:39:47
  TRACK 15 AUDIO
    TITLE "Theodorakis - Epitafios"
    INDEX 01 50:32:49
  TRACK 16 AUDIO
    TITLE "J. S. Bach - Prelude From Lute Suite No. 4"
    INDEX 01 54:07:50
  TRACK 17 AUDIO
    TITLE "Scarlatti - Sonata In E Major"
    INDEX 01 58:29:13
  TRACK 18 AUDIO
    TITLE "Vivaldi - III. Allegro"
    INDEX 01 62:39:01
  TRACK 19 AUDIO
    TITLE "Rodrigo - Adagio From Concierto De Aranjuez"
    INDEX 01 64:48:51

so now how do i know which cue file is the correct (or the better) one to use
i listened to the songs using both .cue files in foobar it doesn't seem like a song started with the previous song last bits of music or something

is there a way to know which is the better .cue? or does it even matter?
also is there a better way to generate a .cue for my file?

thanks

[Be Positive]

As you should own this CD when you have a rip of it (you didn't illegally download it from web?) just create a cuesheet with EAC

[Fandango]

so now how do i know which cue file is the correct (or the better) one to use
i listened to the songs using both .cue files in foobar it doesn't seem like a song started with the previous song last bits of music or something

Using freedb.org and freedb2cue is very unreliable since it was never very accurate when it came to storing the corresponding meta data of a certain issue of an album release. freedb is like a rummage table, you will never know what exactly you get even if it looks alike. Also note that freedb does not store pregap data.

is there a way to know which is the better .cue? or does it even matter?

also is there a better way to generate a .cue for my file?

Of course there is! But it involves the original CD...

This post has been edited by Fandango: Oct 28 2006, 16:49

[prima1]

thanks for the reply guys, i am afraid i don't have the original CD a friend gave me the file because he knows i like John Williams
i will try asking him for the cue file or the original CD

[Klyith]

Have you actually tried it?

The two cuesheets are only off by at most three hundredths of a second. I'd call that non-significant -- you won't notice any difference. You won't get any music from one track in another track, the gap is much longer than that. Even if the tracks are gapless you are not missing any sound, just putting the border between tracks at a slightly different place.

Just flip a coin and pick one, chalk it up to getting free music.

[Segovia]

As you should own this CD when you have a rip of it (you didn't illegally download it from web?) just create a cuesheet with EAC

I cringe when I read this sort of thing. Downloading copyrighted music is perfectly legal in several countries, including my own. German law does not apply to everyone.

[prima1]

yeah its legal (no law against it) where i live too, however i asked the guy for the cuesheet and he gave me one he created from the same cd
its identical to one of the ones i found on freedb2cue in terms of track lengthes

and Klyith has a good point the difference is insignificant anyway, but when i compared them for some reason i thought the difference was in seconds and not milliseconds, stupid me

so i guess the freedb2cue method isn't that bad after all, if you just wanna split it up and know what you are listening to, but of course not good enough to make a perfect copy, sometimes you can never make a perfect copy because of drive overreading or overburning limitations

[greynol]

...but when i compared them for some reason i thought the difference was in seconds and not milliseconds

The differences are in frames, not milliseconds.

1 frame = 1/75 of a second = 588 samples.

[Fandango]

As you should own this CD when you have a rip of it (you didn't illegally download it from web?) just create a cuesheet with EAC

I cringe when I read this sort of thing. Downloading copyrighted music is perfectly legal in several countries, including my own. German law does not apply to everyone.

Hehe, actually it's a grey area for HA.org. The German or US law can very well apply also to HA.org, if the servers happen to be based in those countries...

But generally I agree. I think it's often so offtopic and for some people even hypocritic to point to TOS #9 every time something seems fishy about a legimate question. TOS #9 is mainly directed at talk about circumventing copy protection methods and obtaining illegal copies, but IMHO this was not the case in prima1 request. Even if he admits he doesn't own the original, it's hardly a TOS violation. Refusing to help because of such a reason is small-minded and luckily noone was so impolite to tell him to literally get lost.

so i guess the freedb2cue method isn't that bad after all, if you just wanna split it up and know what you are listening to, but of course not good enough to make a perfect copy, sometimes you can never make a perfect copy because of drive overreading or overburning limitations

Well, depending on what you wanted to do with the rip, it may be totally uninteresting whether the pre-gaps were in the cue sheet or a few frames were missing or are at the wrong place... for example if you have planned to encode the tracks to seperate MP3s and then delete the APE image... what you do need a 100% original cue sheet for? That information is lost to a great extent anyway after the conversion or it's unnoticable at least.

This post has been edited by Fandango: Nov 15 2006, 02:19

[Segovia]

Hehe, actually it's a grey area for HA.org. The German or US law can very well apply also to HA.org, if the servers happen to be based in those countries...

But generally I agree. I think it's often so offtopic and for some people even hypocritic to point to TOS #9 every time something seems fishy about a legimate question. TOS #9 is mainly directed at talk about circumventing copy protection methods and obtaining illegal copies, but IMHO this was not the case in prima1 request. Even if he admits he doesn't own the original, it's hardly a TOS violation. Refusing to help because of such a reason is small-minded and luckily noone was so impolite to tell him to literally get lost.

Understood about the gray area in regard to HA - and I don't have any problem with the TOS.

But really my comment was not even related to it. All I meant was that for a poster to make an accusation, or use terms such as "illegal"... well I just feel it's a bit rude, since I doubt he is an expert in copyright law in the original posters country. I was just trying to inform him that the laws vary wildly in regard to what's legal - depending on your location in the world. Implying that someone is a criminal, on an international forum, without expert knowledge of the laws of their land is impolite.

In other words, telling someone he is in violation of the rules of a internet forum is quite different than implying that he is engaging in real-life illegal activities?