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Windows Media Player 11 released, Final version
CiTay
post Oct 31 2006, 01:03
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Want to keep your WMP codecs updated? Then get the new version here:

http://www.microsoft.com/windows/windowsmedia/default.mspx
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post Oct 31 2006, 01:49
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Thanks. With todays Xbox360 update, WMP 11 and Xbox 360 users can now stream WMV's to the 360 without purchasing WinXP MCE.
Both came at excactly the same time, Coincidence?

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post Oct 31 2006, 06:32
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Does this finally make explorer correctly read the bitrate of vbr mp3's?
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post Oct 31 2006, 06:43
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QUOTE (krazy @ Oct 30 2006, 21:32) *
Does this finally make explorer correctly read the bitrate of vbr mp3's?


Nope. Although, i really like WMP 11 biggrin.gif It's really fast now. iTunes 7 is crapware (on the pc atleast) compared. The WMP11 library system just rocks and seems extremely fast and efficient.


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post Oct 31 2006, 07:25
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now if only WMP11 wasn't so slow at shuffling, i'd actually be thinking of using it.
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post Oct 31 2006, 11:58
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So are the rumors that WMP11 Final would support AAC true?

I'd check for myself, but I'm not running Windows anymore
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post Oct 31 2006, 13:33
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Some fixed in codec, does it make listening test go on?
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post Oct 31 2006, 14:10
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I just tried with an AAC (M4A) file: it only works with an external filter. AAC/mp4 file format isn't suggested as supported format during installation.
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post Oct 31 2006, 14:11
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Same here - it uses the Nero decoder for M4A and AAC files.


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post Oct 31 2006, 14:32
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QUOTE (guruboolez @ Oct 31 2006, 14:10) *
I just tried with an AAC (M4A) file: it only works with an external filter.

QUOTE (Sebastian Mares @ Oct 31 2006, 14:11) *
Same here - it uses the Nero decoder for M4A and AAC files.

What do you mean with 'an external filter'?
If it uses Nero's decoder I'd expect it to support HE-AAC, does it?
Can Windows Explorer read m4a metadata once WMP11 is installed?
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Sebastian Mares
post Oct 31 2006, 14:37
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WMP can use ANY DirectShow filter and the AAC playback is not handled by WMP, but by the Nero filter. This, however, also worked with WMP 10 and IIRC, even 9.


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post Oct 31 2006, 14:38
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For me, it use AC3Filter and support aacPlus.
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post Oct 31 2006, 14:43
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QUOTE (Sebastian Mares @ Oct 31 2006, 14:37) *
WMP can use ANY DirectShow filter and the AAC playback is not handled by WMP, but by the Nero filter. This, however, also worked with WMP 10 and IIRC, even 9.

Ah, I see. But this filter (for AAC) does not come with either Windows or WMP11 right? You'd need to have a third party filter installed by some other program for WMP11 to play AAC?
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Sebastian Mares
post Oct 31 2006, 14:51
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Correct - it comes with Nero.


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post Oct 31 2006, 14:54
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QUOTE (Maurits @ Oct 31 2006, 14:43) *
Ah, I see. But this filter (for AAC) does not come with either Windows or WMP11 right? You'd need to have a third party filter installed by some other program for WMP11 to play AAC?


Yes, one like Nero or ffdshow. If you install one of these two programs they add the required AAC decoding capabilities to all Direct Show-based players.

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post Oct 31 2006, 15:47
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Hhmm... so no out-of-the-box AAC support. sad.gif

That is a bit strange, I'd expected WMP11 to support AAC right away since the Zune is going to support it.
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post Oct 31 2006, 16:09
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QUOTE (Maurits @ Oct 31 2006, 06:47) *
Hhmm... so no out-of-the-box AAC support. sad.gif

That is a bit strange, I'd expected WMP11 to support AAC right away since the Zune is going to support it.


It'll probably be released as a update when Zune goes live.


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post Oct 31 2006, 18:10
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I noticed they added Windows Media Audio PRO to the choices of encoding options. The list of bitrates for PRO ranges from 32 to 192, not the massive 2 channel/5 channel 48mhz sampling rate choices seen in the past. I take it this means Zune will be the first device to playback PRO files?


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post Oct 31 2006, 18:20
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WMAPro (including LOSSLESS) isn't explicitely announced as WMAPro compatible (presspaper mention 'WMA'):

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Zune software can import audio files in unprotected WMA, MP3, AAC; photos in JPEG; and videos in WMV, MPEG-4, H.264.

http://www.microsoft.com/presspass/presski...docs/ZuneFS.doc

But WMA is maybe a generic name for the whole WMA family. Wait and see.

more info:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zune
http://www.microsoft.com/presspass/presski...ne/default.mspx
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post Oct 31 2006, 19:09
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And still no ID3v2.4 support I presume? sad.gif
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post Oct 31 2006, 20:05
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QUOTE (Maurits @ Oct 31 2006, 12:09) *
And still no ID3v2.4 support I presume? sad.gif


I don't know about that. I don't use the program much at all, as I'm more an OS X user, and would more likely use iTunes on Windows on the occasions I use Windows, as I'm used to the program. However, I did download and install WMP 11 and I moved a few files over from my Mac and tried them. They'd been ripped in Stephen Booth's Max, which I believe tags with v2.4, and the tags are certainly identified at v2.4 in iTunes. They displayed in WMP. Well, for the most part they did. Windows Media Player made a dog's dinner of "The Legendary Segovia": it listed the composer's names as "contributing artists", and then used that field as the main basis for the listing. But it's difficult to know what's going on in a case like that. It might be WMP. But it might be iTunes: I suppose it's possible the information was originally as obtained from the database, and I hadn't noticed before ripping, but corrected it later in iTunes, but iTunes didn't re-write the tags properly. Whatever the reason, it's anomalies like this that make switching between different programs unattractive. But, AFAICT, the program does read the tags in my MP3s, and they are v2.4 tags.

EDIT to add:

I was curious, so I re-ripped the Segovia CD just to get a better idea of what was going on. I think my postulated scenario must have been just what happened.

Now WMP 11 reads the artist correctly, so it seems a finger is pointing at iTunes. However, WMP11 is still not reading all fields correctly. It reads the album, the title, and the artist, but it does not read the genre field or the composer field. Max has written those two fields; I can see them in iTunes on both Mac and Windows and Media Rage (tagger for OS X) recognizes what Max has written as v2.4 tags, too. But WMP11 cannot see those two fields. Missing "composer" tags makes it pretty much useless for classical music, unfortunately.

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post Oct 31 2006, 22:55
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I tested a MP3 file tagged with ID3v2.4 UTF-8 as written by Mp3tag -- no other tags (no ID3v1.1!) -- and WMP 11 "final" on XP will not read the tag. This is no different than the older WMP 10. It's very possible some other implementations of the ID3v2.4 informal standard does get parsed... but I somewhat doubt it.

Sorry, we're still stuck with the de facto standard ID3v2.3 for MP3. Even if Microsoft added read ability for ID3v2.4, 99% chance they'll still write to ID3v2.3 to stay compatible with the masses... like most products.

Thankfully, the latest version of foobar2000 also handles ID3v2.3 now...
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post Nov 1 2006, 03:50
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It still manages to turn my cover art tags into black squares in XP's Media Center.

Wow, this is pathetic.

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post Nov 1 2006, 22:19
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Downloaded and installed yesterday. The main issues I've noticed so far on my PC:

Pros:
  • Superfast searching
  • Fast handling of large libraries
  • Intuitive new interface that allows a lot more flexibility than WMP 10
  • Quick startup
  • Low memory usage compared to other playback software of similar capability (MediaMonkey, iTunes)
  • Very smart automatic playlist management
  • FINALLY: the ability to view library, current playlist AND album art simultaneously under the same tab
  • Plugin compatibility is pretty impressive. None thereof needed to be updated

Cons:
  • WMP no longer automatically displays the length, size and duration of the current playlist in the lower status bar
  • Library view changes are not persistent between tab changes. For example, if while under the Library tab you sort the library by Title and then switch to the Now Playing tab, upon return to the Library tab the view reverts to the default sort-by-artist view
  • Holding the mouse over a playlist item no longer pops up info about the item

Also, the metadata lookup database has been changed somewhat, with a lot more subgenres added. For example, you can now get "Metal" and "Alternative" genre tags instead of just generic "Rock".

Overall, the biggest positive for me as the tremendous increase in performance with large libraries (I have 7500+ songs) and the blisteringly fast search feature.

Happy with the upgrade but hoping they can address the items in the cons list, especially the first one sad.gif.


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post Nov 1 2006, 22:42
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QUOTE (LANjackal @ Nov 1 2006, 13:19) *
Cons:
[*]WMP no longer automatically displays the length, size and duration of the current playlist in the lower status bar
Yes, that's MIA... But something similar is partially there. If you multi-select items/tracks from the main view, it will show "X items, X minutes" to the right of the volume control for a few seconds before it disappears. However, total "size" is gone.

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