16 bit vs 24 bit, any samples that work? |
16 bit vs 24 bit, any samples that work? |
 Nov 3 2006, 03:19
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There are real differences between 16 bit and 24 bit files, just as there are real differences between uncompressed and mp3. As with the differences between wav and mp3, 16 bit vs 24 bit is often difficult to identify by listening.
Test signals are one thing, but has anyone found any 24 bit music recording that can be successfully identified via ABX testing against a properly resample to 16 bit version of same? |
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Feb 15 2007, 22:02
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Greynol,
What I meant to imply by "at low levels", was parts of the song where the overall level of the track itself is very quiet. High gain playback would still be necessary, as I mentioned prior. Thank you for helping me to clarify. This post has been edited by SirChristof: Feb 15 2007, 22:05 |
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AndyH-ha 16 bit vs 24 bit Nov 3 2006, 03:19
Mike Giacomelli I'd imagine ABX would be possible if you found... Nov 3 2006, 03:25 pdq I recall a test here some years back to try to see... Nov 3 2006, 05:33 Aetmos If the clip is properly dithered, this doesn't... Nov 3 2006, 06:22 cabbagerat QUOTE (Aetmos @ Nov 2 2006, 21:22) If the... Nov 3 2006, 07:31
Aetmos QUOTE Welcome to HA. I see this is your first post... Nov 3 2006, 16:17 AndyH-ha I agree that a good sample, if it exist in music, ... Nov 3 2006, 09:36 cabbagerat QUOTE (AndyH-ha @ Nov 3 2006, 00:36)... Nov 3 2006, 16:25 Axon I suppose it's quite easy to construct a track... Nov 3 2006, 17:48 Axon Also, how contrived can the listening environment ... Nov 3 2006, 18:03 AndyH-ha The question isn't whether or not it is possib... Nov 3 2006, 20:18 Axon Well.. how much dynamic range can you coax out of ... Nov 3 2006, 20:38 AndyH-ha I'm sorry, that went over my head. What is the... Nov 3 2006, 21:21 outscape haha nothing.. see 24 bits is purist technology. i... Nov 3 2006, 22:23 greynol I'd wager that in order to distinguish the dif... Nov 3 2006, 22:41 Axon OSHA's recommendations for 120db is that it sh... Nov 4 2006, 01:11 AndyH-ha But are you talking about real music or, effective... Nov 4 2006, 01:56 Axon My point is that you don't need a "test s... Nov 4 2006, 02:21 AndyH-ha OK, you need more than the dynamic range of 16 bit... Nov 4 2006, 04:09 Iain I think the best volume for the test would be ... Nov 12 2006, 17:14 AndyH-ha Without cryogenic cooling the intrinsic noise of e... Nov 12 2006, 19:23 SebastianG I think it's a good idea to mention the import... Nov 13 2006, 13:30 AndyH-ha QUOTE I think it's a good idea to mention the ... Nov 14 2006, 03:43 SebastianG QUOTE (AndyH-ha @ Nov 14 2006, 03:43... Nov 15 2006, 14:16 SirChristof If you have decent equipment and a quiet environme... Feb 15 2007, 09:40 Kees de Visser QUOTE (SirChristof @ Feb 15 2007, 09:40) ... Feb 15 2007, 22:15 AndyH-ha Yes, it is easy to create test tones that demonstr... Feb 15 2007, 11:52 SirChristof The vast majority of all music most of us have acc... Feb 15 2007, 20:17 krabapple QUOTE (SirChristof @ Feb 15 2007, 14:17) ... Feb 16 2007, 06:07 SometimesWarrior These articles on ff123's website may be of in... Feb 15 2007, 21:41 greynol QUOTE (SirChristof @ Feb 15 2007, 00:40) ... Feb 15 2007, 21:48 AndyH-ha As far as I can see, the ff123 page does not provi... Feb 16 2007, 08:17 Kees de Visser At least one of the engineers I've asked seems... Feb 16 2007, 11:01 muaddib IMO it is better to keep samples much shorter: 10-... Feb 16 2007, 11:54 2Bdecided There are a few 24/96 and 24/44.1 files here:
http... Feb 16 2007, 12:07 AndyH-ha Setting aside for the moment whether this donated ... Feb 16 2007, 12:22 Kees de Visser QUOTE (AndyH-ha @ Feb 16 2007, 12:22... Feb 16 2007, 15:10 Kees de Visser An ABX test to compare 16 and 24 bit dithered audi... Feb 19 2007, 23:00 AndyH-ha I believe the resampling is more important than th... Feb 20 2007, 00:30 MLXXX Hi everyone.
A year has passed since the previous... Feb 25 2008, 16:52 AndyH-ha "sounding better" is a subjective evalua... Feb 26 2008, 00:52 MLXXX I am new to ABXing but I think that for playing 24... Feb 26 2008, 15:25 .halverhahn Even it is comparing apples with oranges:
Do you ... Feb 26 2008, 17:28 digital Wow: Nov 2nd 2006 to Feb 27th, 2008… and still wai... Feb 27 2008, 10:37 knutinh Since DVD-A can now be ripped, having 24/96 stereo... Feb 27 2008, 10:43 Kees de Visser QUOTE (knutinh @ Feb 27 2008, 10:43) Caut... Feb 27 2008, 11:51 bubbleguuum QUOTE (Kees de Visser @ Feb 27 2008, 11:5... Feb 27 2008, 20:32 MLXXX QUOTE (volvme+ @ Feb 28 2008, 04:27)... Feb 28 2008, 10:11 GeSomeone I remember remarks (don't know where) that ind... Feb 27 2008, 12:10 knutinh I think that the difference between 12 bits and 16... Feb 27 2008, 15:00 MLXXX QUOTE (knutinh @ Feb 28 2008, 00:00) I th... Feb 27 2008, 16:59 volvme+ Sorry for interrupting your conversation, but I do... Feb 27 2008, 19:27 MLXXX AndyH, perhaps you might be kind enough to answer ... Mar 3 2008, 07:27 cabbagerat QUOTE (MLXXX @ Mar 2 2008, 22:27) Being a... Mar 3 2008, 10:43 MLXXX QUOTE (cabbagerat @ Mar 3 2008, 19:43) ~ ... Mar 3 2008, 13:48 Soap QUOTE (MLXXX @ Mar 3 2008, 07:48) When I ... Mar 3 2008, 14:11 MLXXX Thanks, Soap. I should have been more precise. Wh... Mar 3 2008, 15:06 SebastianG Hi!
I'd like to remind you that there... Mar 3 2008, 11:02 AndyH-ha I know this isn't the only time I raised the t... Mar 3 2008, 12:03 cabbagerat QUOTE (SebastianG @ Mar 3 2008, 02:02) I... Mar 3 2008, 13:25 cabbagerat QUOTE (MLXXX @ Mar 3 2008, 04:48) If I am... Mar 3 2008, 15:23 MLXXX QUOTE (cabbagerat @ Mar 4 2008, 00:23) Wi... Mar 3 2008, 15:35 cabbagerat QUOTE (MLXXX @ Mar 3 2008, 06:35) QUOTE (... Mar 3 2008, 16:17 MLXXX QUOTE (cabbagerat @ Mar 4 2008, 01:17) ~ ... Mar 4 2008, 16:25 AndyH-ha I generally issue this type of challenge when some... Mar 4 2008, 19:45 MLXXX I've a added a 24-bit 48KHz original, and 16-b... Mar 10 2008, 16:00 Pio2001 Hello,
In september, I did an ABX between a 96 kHz... Nov 26 2008, 22:25 Canar QUOTE (Pio2001 @ Nov 26 2008, 13:25) Voxe... Nov 27 2008, 00:27 Dynamic QUOTE (Canar @ Nov 27 2008, 00:27) QUOTE ... Nov 27 2008, 05:27 Kees de Visser QUOTE (Pio2001 @ Nov 26 2008, 22:25) I go... Nov 27 2008, 10:32 Pio2001 Thank you for the precisions about dither. This is... Nov 27 2008, 19:48 Canar I fully recognize that, and want to thank you agai... Nov 27 2008, 21:18 solive QUOTE (AndyH-ha @ Nov 2 2006, 18:19)... Jan 5 2009, 01:28 greynol http://www.hydrogenaudio.org/forums/index....showt... Jan 5 2009, 01:38 Martin Kantola Greetings, found your forum recently, so here... Jan 21 2009, 22:04 Kees de Visser QUOTE (Martin Kantola @ Jan 21 2009, 22:0... Jan 22 2009, 07:37 2Bdecided I can't ABX it. I agree it's a perfectly g... Jan 22 2009, 13:45 AndyH-ha I ‘m going to see if I can borrow a fast connectio... Jan 22 2009, 22:12 Martin Kantola QUOTE (AndyH-ha @ Jan 22 2009, 16:12... Jan 23 2009, 05:01 Ron Jones QUOTE (Martin Kantola @ Jan 22 2009, 20:0... Jan 23 2009, 05:58 Martin Kantola QUOTE (Ron Jones @ Jan 22 2009, 23:58) As... Jan 23 2009, 06:23 2Bdecided QUOTE (Martin Kantola @ Jan 23 2009, 04:0... Jan 23 2009, 11:47 Martin Kantola QUOTE (2Bdecided @ Jan 23 2009, 05:47) I ... Jan 23 2009, 16:11 Axon 18/32 - there's a harshness in the left channe... Jan 23 2009, 07:56 2Bdecided Found it...
http://www.gearslutz.com/board/so-muc... Jan 23 2009, 16:30 Martin Kantola QUOTE (2Bdecided @ Jan 23 2009, 10:30) My... Jan 23 2009, 18:41 krabapple QUOTE (2Bdecided @ Jan 23 2009, 10:30) Fo... Jan 24 2009, 01:01 Martin Kantola QUOTE (krabapple @ Jan 23 2009, 19:01) Bu... Jan 24 2009, 03:11 krabapple QUOTE (Martin Kantola @ Jan 23 2009, 21:1... Jan 25 2009, 00:08 Martin Kantola QUOTE (krabapple @ Jan 24 2009, 18:08) An... Jan 25 2009, 00:28 MLXXX QUOTE (Martin Kantola @ Jan 24 2009, 12:1... Jan 27 2009, 10:16 krabapple QUOTE (MLXXX @ Jan 27 2009, 04:16) The ef... Jan 27 2009, 18:57 MLXXX QUOTE (krabapple @ Jan 28 2009, 03:57) Is... Jan 28 2009, 14:14 2Bdecided Here you go...
http://rapidshare.de/files/4332135... Jan 23 2009, 17:25 Martin Kantola QUOTE (2Bdecided @ Jan 23 2009, 11:25) He... Jan 24 2009, 07:13 2Bdecided Thank you Martin.
Putting noise in the last 8 bit... Jan 24 2009, 21:09 2Bdecided Remember those stats are only true for the situati... Jan 25 2009, 17:38 Martin Kantola Thanks for the info David, I'm completely new ... Jan 25 2009, 17:59 AndyH-ha This was asked more than once but there was no res... Jan 29 2009, 11:05 |
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