My tests over kmixer effects, Seem to be none... |
My tests over kmixer effects, Seem to be none... |
Jan 16 2003, 09:40
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WinABX developer Group: Developer Posts: 1578 Joined: 1-October 01 Member No.: 137 |
I've been doing some tests over kmixer effect, both using standard waveout and directsound, connecting my TBSC digital output to my Audiophile digital input, under WinXP (no SP1), and I'm sure that with a single stream at 48 KHz, with the TBSC mixer volume at max, the kmixer doesn't touch a bit of the audio stream, it's sent bit-perfectly to the output of the card. At 44.1 KHz I can't be so conclusive, since the TBSC resamples everything to 48 KHz and I've had some problems to test it the same way, but according to my analog measurements in loopback mode of Audiophile output, there is no trace of signal degradation over the 44.1 KHz played data.
...So it's very possible that this kmixer sounding worse than ASIO or k.streaming is our old friend mr. placebo entering into scene again. Anyway, I'll do some more tests in the future. This post has been edited by KikeG: Jan 16 2003, 09:42 |
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Aug 22 2003, 00:13
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![]() Group: Members (Donating) Posts: 591 Joined: 11-February 03 From: UK Member No.: 4952 |
QUOTE (KikeG @ Jun 30 2003, 01:03 PM) There's some evidence that using directsound acceleration (also called hardware mixing) does same thing as using kernel streaming, and enables getting bit-perfect output. However, I haven't been able to verify this, since my Audiophile card doesn't support it. I've tested hardware mixing today on a Terratec DMX 6fire 24/96 and can't confirm this evidence. I used foobar2000 v0.667 for playback and CEP2.00 for recording; OS is Win2k SP3, Terratec driver version is 5.00.2000.128. Setting kernel streaming in foobar, recording in digital loopback was bit perfect. So, I concluded CEP was fine as a recording interface. Then I selected Directsound, and ticked 'Allow hardware mixing'. In Windows Sound&Multimedia Settings, there's a Hardware Acceleration slider. I tried all settings. In the higher two, foobar reports 'Hardware mixing available, 33 streams total'. In the lower two foobar says 'Hardware mixing not available'. In both cases, loopback was not bit-perfect: spectrally flat 1-bit dithering was present (and dithering in foobar was disabled, as were all dsp's, ofcourse). I found the same using Waveout. |
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KikeG My tests over kmixer effects Jan 16 2003, 09:40
thomaspf Could you describe this setup in a bit more detail... Jan 16 2003, 20:02
KikeG I used WinXP pre-SP1. As I said, at 48 KHz, I use... Jan 17 2003, 09:46
kaiwei Did anyone actually claimed that it sounds better?... Jan 17 2003, 11:52
KikeG I don't think anybody has claimed it sounds be... Jan 17 2003, 12:06
dev0 So basically all of thomaspf claims turn out to be... Jan 17 2003, 16:17
thomaspf Very interesting. All the experiments I did came a... Jan 17 2003, 17:17
Pio2001 Loopbacking a soundcard into itself can lead to pr... Jan 17 2003, 18:43
thomaspf Interesting. I thought input and output of this ca... Jan 17 2003, 19:21
KikeG thomaspf, there's one thing I don't unders... Jan 18 2003, 17:59
thomaspf Strange. I have an M-audio DIO24/96 and I have no ... Jan 19 2003, 06:11
Pio2001 Actually, long ago, I managed the same loopback wi... Jan 19 2003, 14:51
thomaspf Windows has supported a various driver models over... Jan 19 2003, 18:03
thomaspf A few more results. First I recreated this little ... Jan 20 2003, 08:42
KikeG I have only one computer too, but two soundcards i... Jan 20 2003, 13:00
KikeG So, all software that uses waveout (WinABX, abc/hr... Jan 20 2003, 13:03
KikeG thomaspf, make sure that in the settings of the pa... Jan 20 2003, 14:50
thomaspf Looks like we are getting on the same page here... Jan 20 2003, 18:32
KikeG In my Winamp 2 directsound plugin, I have no optio... Jan 21 2003, 10:15
thomaspf My DAC/surround sound proc is on it's way back... Jan 21 2003, 21:58
KikeG Ok, I've managed to get decent drivers for my ... Jan 24 2003, 17:14
Continuum QUOTE (KikeG @ Jan 24 2003 - 05:14 PM)Ok, I... Jan 24 2003, 17:41
thomaspf @kikeG
I am expecting to get my DAC back this we... Jan 25 2003, 00:31
KikeG QUOTE (Continuum @ Jan 24 2003 - 05:41 PM)I h... Jan 26 2003, 14:38
KikeG Player: Winamp 2.81
Drivers: latest M-Audio Dio24... Jan 26 2003, 14:41
thomaspf I finally got my DAC back and repeated my tests vi... Jan 29 2003, 08:46
Continuum Are you sure that all volume levels are set to max... Jan 29 2003, 11:53
KikeG Yes, that could happen, but depends also on the se... Jan 29 2003, 14:38
thomaspf I set everything up as it shoud and also consulted... Jan 29 2003, 19:07
thomaspf Here is another tidbit. I had a conversation with ... Feb 3 2003, 00:09
KikeG This is strange, I hope I had a DTS decoder to mak... Feb 3 2003, 09:25
Pio2001 I get bit perfect digital playback-record in loopb... Feb 9 2003, 07:26
KikeG I think the relevant results here would be for 44.... Feb 9 2003, 20:16
thomaspf I just checked the Marian WEB site. It looks like ... Feb 9 2003, 21:10
KikeG OK, I've performed several RMAA (RightMark Aud... Mar 6 2003, 16:35
KikeG Well, a couple of months ago I managed to get mi C... Jun 30 2003, 13:03
KikeG Well, I just did a few more tests. I own now both ... Aug 1 2003, 17:55
balazer I understand that you need to use something like A... Aug 19 2003, 10:02
KikeG I already answered at the AVS thread. I did all my... Aug 19 2003, 18:29
Peter I suppose they just perform mixing/resampling at h... Aug 22 2003, 01:10
AstralStorm It depends on the card and its drivers.
TerraTec A... Aug 22 2003, 01:15
Patsoe QUOTE (zZzZzZz @ Aug 22 2003, 01:10 AM)(ABX a... Aug 22 2003, 01:22
Peter No sane engineer seriously takes the possibility o... Aug 22 2003, 01:37
AstralStorm The test was brain-damaged.
Mangled sample and no... Aug 22 2003, 02:21
Patsoe QUOTE (AstralStorm @ Aug 22 2003, 02:21 AM)Th... Aug 22 2003, 08:06
KikeG External hardware decoding of 44.1 KHz PCM-encoded... Aug 23 2003, 18:30
KikeG And, even when hardware directsound acceleration c... Aug 23 2003, 18:35
Peter That's because kernel mixer was designed to pl... Aug 23 2003, 18:52
KikeG Yes. But if I play something, I'd better prefe... Aug 24 2003, 20:58
Patsoe QUOTE (KikeG @ Aug 23 2003, 06:35 PM)So, in p... Aug 24 2003, 21:52
KikeG QUOTE (Patsoe @ Aug 24 2003, 09:52 PM)Well, i... Aug 25 2003, 20:16![]() ![]() |
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