Has the iTunes AAC encoder changed recently?, specifically between version 7.0.2.16 and the current 7.3.4 |
Has the iTunes AAC encoder changed recently?, specifically between version 7.0.2.16 and the current 7.3.4 |
Oct 18 2007, 03:30
Post
#1
|
|
|
Group: Members Posts: 58 Joined: 1-January 05 Member No.: 18741 |
I want to know if the iTunes AAC encoder has changed since 7.0.2.16? If so, are the changes -- overall -- for the good or bad? I don't want to upgrade if the current version of the encoder has some bad tweaks in it.
Moderation: Fixed typo in topic. ACC -> AAC. To help future searches. This post has been edited by JensRex: Nov 6 2007, 19:47 |
|
|
|
![]() |
Oct 18 2007, 18:51
Post
#2
|
|
|
AAC Developer Group: Developer Posts: 25 Joined: 30-August 02 From: CA, USA Member No.: 3239 |
A new AAC-LC codec is available in the new Mac OS X 10.5 (code named as Leopard) which will be released in Oct. 26. It has some significant sound quality improvement and bitrate mode enhancement. Since iTunes and QT use the AAC codec built natively in the OS X, these enhancements will be reflected in these Apple applications as well (doesn't matter you have upgraded these individual applications or not). You can also use the following commandline tools available in the OS X 10.5 to access the codec:
$> afconvert - perform various audio file conversions, including AAC encoding and decoding. $> afplay - play back an audio file (compressed or uncompressed). $> afinfo - display information about an audio file. This post has been edited by skuo: Nov 14 2007, 23:45 |
|
|
|
Oct 26 2007, 14:43
Post
#3
|
|
![]() Group: Members Posts: 730 Joined: 5-January 04 Member No.: 10970 |
A new AAC-LC codec is available in the new Mac OS X 1.5 (code named as Leopard) which will be released in Oct. 26. It has some significant sound quality improvement and bitrate mode enhancement. Since iTunes and QT use the AAC codec built natively in the OS X, these enhancements will be reflected in these Apple applications as well (doesn't matter you have upgraded these individual applications or not). You can also use the following commandline tools available in the OS X 1.5 to access the codec: $> afconvert - perform various audio file conversions, including AAC encoding and decoding. $> afplay - play back an audio file (compressed or uncompressed). $> afinfo - display information about an audio file. I just received my copy of 10.5 and a nice new feature is that iTunes lists the actual bitrate of AAC VBR files, albeit only ones encoded in Leopard. The encoder is indeed updated as well since the bitrates are completely different on some test encodes I did compared to the previous version. I haven't had time to do abx tests yet though. FLAC doesn't seem to be supported. |
|
|
|
Oct 26 2007, 17:56
Post
#4
|
|
|
AAC Developer Group: Developer Posts: 25 Joined: 30-August 02 From: CA, USA Member No.: 3239 |
The encoder is indeed updated as well since the bitrates are completely different on some test encodes I did compared to the previous version. I haven't had time to do abx tests yet though. You should hear the sound quality improvement as well. Although Apple applications offer a convenient way to access Apple AAC codecs, for Mac users, the best way to access the full functionality of the codecs is through those af* commandline tools (afconvert, afinfo, afplay). All other applications only use a subset of it. For instance, iTunes only uses ABR and VBR_Constraint encoding modes. QuickTime is better, it accesses most of the feature set, but it can only encodes to a set of pre-determined discrete bitrates (afconvert can encode to any arbitrary bitrate as long as it is within the supported bitrate range). FLAC doesn't seem to be supported. No, it's not in the supported codecs for consumers. It's only supported through SDK. HE-AAC is not supported yet as many have figured. |
|
|
|
Oct 26 2007, 19:51
Post
#5
|
|
![]() Group: Members Posts: 730 Joined: 5-January 04 Member No.: 10970 |
Although Apple applications offer a convenient way to access Apple AAC codecs, for Mac users, the best way to access the full functionality of the codecs is through those af* commandline tools (afconvert, afinfo, afplay). All other applications only use a subset of it. For instance, iTunes only uses ABR and VBR_Constraint encoding modes. QuickTime is better, it accesses most of the feature set, but it can only encodes to a set of pre-determined discrete bitrates (afconvert can encode to any arbitrary bitrate as long as it is within the supported bitrate range). I played around with the command line to access the true VBR mode in order to get high quality VBR files, but I'm not sure if I got it right; afconvert -f m4af -d aac -s 3 -q 127 This setting produced vbr files with a fairly low bitrate (80-140kbps), and the bitrate option (-b) didn't make any difference.. Is there a way to make the true vbr mode aim for transparency and higher bitrate files? |
|
|
|
STL Has the iTunes AAC encoder changed recently? Oct 18 2007, 03:30
STL QUOTE (skuo @ Oct 18 2007, 12:51) doesn... Oct 18 2007, 19:13
goodnews Thanks skuo for the info. I just ordered my Leopar... Oct 18 2007, 19:14

skuo QUOTE (goodnews @ Oct 18 2007, 11:14) May... Oct 18 2007, 19:26
dbAmp QUOTE (skuo @ Oct 18 2007, 13:51) A new A... Oct 20 2007, 03:42

Mr VacBob iTunes and QuickTime are not on the same release s... Oct 20 2007, 04:25
ShowsOn QUOTE (Busemann @ Oct 26 2007, 22:43) I j... Oct 26 2007, 17:34

skuo QUOTE (ShowsOn @ Oct 26 2007, 09:34) Is i... Oct 26 2007, 18:08
skuo QUOTE (Busemann @ Oct 26 2007, 11:51) Is ... Oct 27 2007, 01:43
Busemann QUOTE (skuo @ Oct 26 2007, 16:43) QUOTE (... Oct 27 2007, 17:30
adlai QUOTE (Busemann @ Oct 27 2007, 08:30) QUO... Oct 28 2007, 05:03
jarsonic i wonder if iTunes will be able to do multiple fil... Oct 18 2007, 19:12
Enig123 I spotted an AAC-LD Codec in the whatsnew list. Oct 20 2007, 06:48
dbAmp QUOTE (Enig123 @ Oct 20 2007, 01:48) I sp... Oct 20 2007, 07:04
skuo QUOTE (dbAmp @ Oct 19 2007, 23:04) AAC-LD... Oct 26 2007, 18:26
goodnews Anyone know what version of FLAC is being supporte... Oct 26 2007, 18:59
enry2k still no high efficiency aac in Leopard?
Has Apple... Oct 22 2007, 22:23
eofor QUOTE (enry2k @ Oct 22 2007, 23:23) still... Oct 23 2007, 20:09
kornchild2002 I thought that a new version of iTunes and QuickTi... Oct 23 2007, 22:22
chrisgeleven QUOTE (kornchild2002 @ Oct 23 2007, 17:22... Oct 24 2007, 03:04
dbAmp QUOTE (chrisgeleven @ Oct 23 2007, 22:04)... Oct 24 2007, 05:20
kornchild2002 It is nice to hear that a new AAC encoder is being... Oct 26 2007, 19:19
dbAmp Correct me if I'm wrong... but wasn't it s... Oct 26 2007, 22:19
chrisgeleven Great info. Thank you.
Too bad you can't acce... Oct 27 2007, 02:08
ShowsOn QUOTE (chrisgeleven @ Oct 27 2007, 10:08)... Oct 27 2007, 05:35
WarChild Many thanks for the info skuo. It is very helpful.... Oct 27 2007, 07:20
chrisgeleven I imagine you would have to wait for a new Windows... Oct 28 2007, 23:32
Enig123 Apple have their iTunes 7.5, together with QuickTi... Nov 6 2007, 01:36
Serge Smirnoff QUOTE (Enig123 @ Nov 6 2007, 04:36) Apple... Nov 7 2007, 21:29
chichazor I don't know if is the latest aac codec but is... Nov 6 2007, 01:53
chrisgeleven Well in theory, you would think that the QuickTime... Nov 6 2007, 02:40
dougscripts QUOTE (chrisgeleven @ Nov 5 2007, 20:40) ... Nov 16 2007, 21:41
ozmosis82 QUOTE (dougscripts @ Nov 16 2007, 14:41) ... Nov 16 2007, 22:44
ozmosis82 Is there a frontend or AppleScript available that ... Nov 6 2007, 05:12
Pepzhez I'm pretty confused over what portion of the A... Nov 6 2007, 06:35
WarChild QUOTE (Pepzhez @ Nov 6 2007, 05:35) EDIT:... Nov 6 2007, 13:31
Pepzhez QUOTE (WarChild @ Nov 6 2007, 04:31) QUOT... Nov 6 2007, 14:26
WarChild QUOTE (Pepzhez @ Nov 6 2007, 13:26) Expor... Nov 6 2007, 16:54
Enig123 Oh, what a mess to get a true vbr encoded mp4 file... Nov 6 2007, 15:26
dbAmp So I don't know who else has looked into this ... Nov 8 2007, 02:00
dbAmp So I usually avoid bumping my own posts... but I h... Nov 13 2007, 01:32
doubrown I'm (temporarily I hope) swithching to the iTu... Nov 14 2007, 23:28
jamesbaud QUOTE (doubrown @ Nov 14 2007, 15:28) I... Nov 15 2007, 05:59
Junon QUOTE (doubrown @ Nov 14 2007, 23:28) I... Nov 15 2007, 16:33
doubrown Thanks. How would I utilize the true VBR mode from... Nov 15 2007, 16:24
ozmosis82 Has anyone been able to figure out how to get file... Nov 18 2007, 22:04
Busemann QUOTE (ozmosis82 @ Nov 18 2007, 13:04) Ha... Nov 18 2007, 23:49
G-Force Xlossless decoder will convert lossless files to t... Nov 19 2007, 02:05
ozmosis82 QUOTE (G-Force @ Nov 18 2007, 20:05)... Nov 19 2007, 08:09
rudefyet Max should also support the new VBR mode soon, but... Nov 19 2007, 09:14
Nick E QUOTE (rudefyet @ Nov 19 2007, 02:14) Max... Nov 19 2007, 10:31![]() ![]() |
|
Lo-Fi Version | Time is now: 18th June 2013 - 06:31 |