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foobar2000 0.9.5 and Windows 2000?
Cryton
post Oct 20 2007, 19:42
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Could someone give me a technical explaination as to why Windows 2000 is no longer supported? Maybe this great app should be renamed to FoobarXP wink.gif

(What is going to happen to us win2k users now? I presume there won't be two branches maintained, one that will work on win2k and one more 'fancy pants' one. Are we left by the roadside?)
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Ran Sagy
post Oct 26 2007, 22:05
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Wine 'emulates' the needed parts in XP, Probably.
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post Oct 26 2007, 22:22
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QUOTE (chaosblade @ Oct 26 2007, 23:05) *
Wine 'emulates' the needed parts in XP, Probably.


More probably it merely tells fb2k: "hey I'm XP", to make it happy!
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post Oct 27 2007, 02:48
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QUOTE (bubbleguuum @ Oct 27 2007, 00:22) *
More probably it merely tells fb2k: "hey I'm XP", to make it happy!

It just provides all the API calls needed.
Actually one can try replacing win2k dlls with xp ones according to the foobar2000 errors. Inuse tool might be helpful.

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QUOTE (Slotos @ Oct 26 2007, 21:48) *
QUOTE (bubbleguuum @ Oct 27 2007, 00:22) *
More probably it merely tells fb2k: "hey I'm XP", to make it happy!
It just provides all the API calls needed.
Actually one can try replacing win2k dlls with xp ones according to the foobar2000 errors. Inuse tool might be helpful.
Going this route is a really bad idea, and you'll have to prepare yourself for a system that doesn't work right (or might not even boot) until you eventually replace so much of your system that you just end up with ... Windows XP.

And this defeats the whole purpose anyway, does it not, replacing the components of your Windows 2000 installation with Windows XP components? Microsoft invented a pretty decent solution for this. It's called Setup on the Windows XP media and it works pretty well for such an upgrade.

It was actually officially released six years ago today! (And configured here uses less RAM than Windows 2000 did on the same hardware and runs faster).

XP Requires: Pentium 233Mhz, 800x600 SuperVGA, 64MB of RAM, 1.8GB hard disk space.
2K Requires: Pentium 133Mhz, 640x480 VGA, 64MB of RAM, 2.0GB hard disk space.

If anyone is really stuck on Windows 2000 due to true hardware constraints, give me your e-mail address registered with Paypal and I'll consider donating the cash you need to bring your system up to 64MB of RAM and a VGA card that can do 800x600. I probably spend more money each week in fast food, and this will help my diet.
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post Oct 27 2007, 09:54
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QUOTE (Mike Giacomelli @ Oct 27 2007, 06:06) *
He changed the quote to mean something other then what it originally said, which is poor form at best.

I apologize for not including the [...] mark, I was typing from my smartphone.

QUOTE (TrNSZ @ Oct 27 2007, 09:37) *
QUOTE (Slotos @ Oct 26 2007, 21:48) *
QUOTE (bubbleguuum @ Oct 27 2007, 00:22) *
More probably it merely tells fb2k: "hey I'm XP", to make it happy!
It just provides all the API calls needed.
Actually one can try replacing win2k dlls with xp ones according to the foobar2000 errors. Inuse tool might be helpful.
Going this route is a really bad idea [...]

I believe he's talking about WINE and native Windows DLLs, not about a running Windows system.
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post Oct 27 2007, 10:30
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I think not mentioned yet:

Though I can generally understand, that at one point support of new program versions cannot support old OS anymore, it is a bit different in this special audio player software area.

Because to play audio, very low PC-power is needed, think of decoding cpu usage by flac, mpc, mp3 etc.

As old and "slow" PC gear works often still stable but cannot be used sensefully for serious modern applications and work, this hardware is eitehr thrown to dustbin, or used for ... ?
well, I think, many old and slow hardware is used and could be used as music-PC, as audio player.

As foobar developers need to draw the line somewhere, it will be 'moot' to discuss 0.9.5+ support for win2k, but there would be another solution, that is hosting the older foobar players with components for the older systems.
This is partially? done at reallyrarewares, but honestly i cannot understand, why foobar does not host this 'officially' with complete componets, iirc, at rrw there are some special older foobar installers, but probably not with all components.
IMO, I feel it is a kind of wasted stuff, that these old but nice thingies for certain people are buried. You people invested a lot of time and work also into the older stuff, and it should be there for honours, still, as it has even today practical value as described above. But well, maybe it's (not) only me, who is conservative in these things, which means keeping good values and creating more good values for future.

And if MS decides against support of older systems, this doesn't need to be followed as good example. (At least, even by MS, if you have win2k or win98, iirc, you could update that stuff to latest ever made updates.)
What made me technically wonder, as technically win2k and xp are so close to each other, that I see here a break between support of these 2 systems, especially, as win2k was considered to be more "industrial standard" and xp more for home users, who want fancy surface stuff, well, but maybe I simply got older wink.gif
What worries me, is, that the support for xp will be cut at one time also (by MS for certain, but by foobar?!)
I really like the qualities of win2k and XP, and i still really appreciate the power of P3 at 600 or 800 MHz and higher. I have the feeling, that these old PCs will survive a long time, but MS obviously would like it more, if people buy new PCs instead with a new OS on it, which makes you pay several times for an OS, not only 1 time like I did for my XP.
See the MS policy and the technical requirements about win2k, xp, vista... in this marketing point of view, and it is clear, what i want to express.

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- Cryton   foobar2000 0.9.5 and Windows 2000?   Oct 20 2007, 19:42
- - Squeller   foobar2000 0.95 and Windows 2000 - What kind of pr...   Oct 20 2007, 21:06
- - David Nordin   QUOTE (Cryton @ Oct 20 2007, 20:42) (What...   Oct 21 2007, 08:39
- - Melchior   First of I love this program, I have been able to ...   Oct 22 2007, 02:07
- - radorn   It won't run on win2k anymore? so cruel I g...   Oct 22 2007, 12:13
- - Corelian   I would also like to know the reason(s) for droppi...   Oct 23 2007, 12:10
|- - Egor   QUOTE (Corelian @ Oct 23 2007, 18:10) I w...   Oct 23 2007, 12:40
|- - Corelian   QUOTE (Egor @ Oct 23 2007, 13:40) Limited...   Oct 23 2007, 17:21
- - molnart   I'm rather interested what do i need to instal...   Oct 24 2007, 07:07
|- - Egor   QUOTE (molnart @ Oct 24 2007, 13:07) I...   Oct 24 2007, 07:43
- - reil   one possible reason i'm guessing is that fooba...   Oct 24 2007, 07:33
- - vasya_pupkin   I have a question... Will I be able to make future...   Oct 25 2007, 07:25
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- - shakey_snake   A Win2k version is probably as likely as Linux and...   Oct 25 2007, 21:18
|- - Early   QUOTE (shakey_snake @ Oct 25 2007, 14:18)...   Oct 26 2007, 01:44
||- - Slotos   QUOTE (Early @ Oct 26 2007, 03:44) I migh...   Oct 26 2007, 04:05
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|- - shakey_snake   QUOTE (Egor @ Oct 25 2007, 23:48) QUOTE (...   Oct 26 2007, 20:36
|- - Egor   QUOTE (shakey_snake @ Oct 27 2007, 02:36)...   Oct 26 2007, 20:54
- - Lyx   When an application drops OS support, then it typi...   Oct 25 2007, 21:40
|- - Squeller   QUOTE (Lyx @ Oct 25 2007, 22:40) When an ...   Oct 26 2007, 18:39
|- - molnart   QUOTE (Lyx @ Oct 25 2007, 22:40) Last tim...   Oct 26 2007, 19:37
|- - Slotos   QUOTE (molnart @ Oct 26 2007, 21:37) 1) I...   Oct 26 2007, 20:37
- - shakey_snake   QUOTE It is easy to say this if you can afford a n...   Oct 25 2007, 22:37
- - thuan   Experiences and preferences with OSs differs from ...   Oct 26 2007, 07:28
- - chaosblade   I've seen quite a few applications that do not...   Oct 26 2007, 19:50
- - shakey_snake   ...who should upgrade. Please don't partial...   Oct 26 2007, 21:06
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|- - Mike Giacomelli   QUOTE (Canar @ Oct 26 2007, 13:15) QUOTE ...   Oct 27 2007, 00:06
- - Lyx   If someone really wants a justification for someth...   Oct 26 2007, 21:16
- - bubbleguuum   The funny thing is that fb 0.95 worls under Linux ...   Oct 26 2007, 21:49
- - chaosblade   Wine 'emulates' the needed parts in XP, Pr...   Oct 26 2007, 22:05
|- - bubbleguuum   QUOTE (chaosblade @ Oct 26 2007, 23:05) W...   Oct 26 2007, 22:22
|- - Zao   QUOTE (bubbleguuum @ Oct 26 2007, 23:22) ...   Oct 26 2007, 22:31
|- - Slotos   QUOTE (bubbleguuum @ Oct 27 2007, 00:22) ...   Oct 27 2007, 02:48
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|- - Egor   QUOTE (Mike Giacomelli @ Oct 27 2007, 06...   Oct 27 2007, 09:54
|- - user   I think not mentioned yet: Though I can generally...   Oct 27 2007, 10:30
|- - Slotos   QUOTE (Egor @ Oct 27 2007, 11:54) I belie...   Oct 27 2007, 15:51
- - Zao   QUOTE (shakey_snake @ Oct 26 2007, 22:06)...   Oct 26 2007, 22:20
- - FrozenSpoon   The actual dependencies on XP-only features seems ...   Oct 27 2007, 01:05
- - chaosblade   No one should encourage people to use outdated sof...   Oct 27 2007, 11:19
- - aliendesaster   Don't touch a running system. Even if microsof...   Oct 27 2007, 11:46
|- - joen   The comparison with older versions of Windows like...   Oct 27 2007, 12:26
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- - DocBeard   I don't use Windows 2000 (in fact, I don't...   Oct 27 2007, 15:01
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