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When Pigs Fly: The Death of Oink, the Birth of Dissent
boombaard
post Oct 29 2007, 21:30
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perhaps an interesting/entertaining read: (not by my hand, found it yesterday)
http://www.demonbaby.com/blog/2007/10/when...k-birth-of.html

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For quite a long time I've been intending to post some sort of commentary on the music industry - piracy, distribution, morality, those types of things. I've thought about it many times, but never gone through with it, because the issue is such a broad, messy one - such a difficult thing to address fairly and compactly. I knew it would result in a rambly, unfocused commentary, and my exact opinion has teetered back and forth quite a bit over the years anyway. But on Monday, when I woke up to the news that Oink, the world famous torrent site and mecca for music-lovers everywhere, had been shut down by international police and various anti-piracy groups, I knew it was finally time to try and organize my thoughts on this huge, sticky, important issue.


edit2: thanks for editing the title, kind (and anonymous) moderator smile.gif

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Canar
post Oct 30 2007, 20:30
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An MP3 is a very long number. Likewise, a track on a CD, and indeed, the data on the entire CD are just very long numbers. Making analogies to physical objects is meaningless. I am describing here what we are actually dealing with, free of abstraction or metaphor.

It is absurd to say that you can own a number, yet the record companies are trying to do exactly that. What's more, they're laying claim to large sets of numbers that happen to sound similar to humans when interpreted to be representations of audio and played back accordingly.

There is no upper bound to how many copies of a number a person can have. A person can make a copy of a number and give it to a friend. That number does not cease to exist.

When you side with the record industry, you proclaim that numbers can be owned. There is absolutely zero abstraction or analogy in that statement. It is a direct logical consequence of current copyright law. This raises a great many ethical questions, yet becomes no less true. So, then, we enter into the next meaningful stage of debate: Should numbers be ownable?

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- boombaard   When Pigs Fly: The Death of Oink   Oct 29 2007, 21:30
- - neomoe   very nice read! thank you for sharing this...   Oct 29 2007, 22:58
- - Fandango   "so this is why CDs cost $18..." H...   Oct 29 2007, 23:17
- - seanyseansean   If you disregard their 'illegal' status, b...   Oct 30 2007, 00:19
- - LANjackal   Interesting. I was wondering just how long it woul...   Oct 30 2007, 02:02
- - Canar   Mentioning an illegal site that no longer exists i...   Oct 30 2007, 03:23
- - plnelson   I certainly don't disagree that the music indu...   Oct 30 2007, 18:25
|- - skamp   QUOTE (plnelson @ Oct 30 2007, 18:25) No ...   Oct 31 2007, 14:26
- - Fandango   *rofl* Why is it always the stealing cars analogy ...   Oct 30 2007, 19:31
|- - plnelson   QUOTE (Fandango @ Oct 30 2007, 14:31) *ro...   Oct 30 2007, 19:46
- - Canar   An MP3 is a very long number. Likewise, a track on...   Oct 30 2007, 20:30
|- - plnelson   QUOTE (Canar @ Oct 30 2007, 15:30) An MP3...   Oct 30 2007, 21:31
- - neomoe   numbers are interpreted by a program, so they are ...   Oct 30 2007, 21:34
|- - plnelson   QUOTE (neomoe @ Oct 30 2007, 16:34) numbe...   Oct 30 2007, 21:51
|- - Light-Fire   QUOTE (plnelson @ Oct 30 2007, 15:51) ......   Oct 31 2007, 03:54
- - Canar   neomoe, at the basic level, words are numbers as w...   Oct 30 2007, 21:54
|- - plnelson   QUOTE (Canar @ Oct 30 2007, 16:54) plnels...   Oct 30 2007, 23:22
- - boombaard   QUOTE An MP3 is a very long number. Likewise, a tr...   Oct 30 2007, 21:57
- - krabapple   from the rant: QUOTE because you can all but guar...   Oct 30 2007, 22:10
- - greynol   Didn't we already have this discussion a short...   Oct 30 2007, 23:26
- - Axon   The bigger question is how the overall flow of mon...   Oct 31 2007, 01:14
|- - plnelson   QUOTE (Axon @ Oct 30 2007, 20:14) Would i...   Oct 31 2007, 16:09
|- - skamp   QUOTE (plnelson @ Oct 31 2007, 16:09) All...   Oct 31 2007, 17:30
||- - plnelson   QUOTE (skamp @ Oct 31 2007, 12:30) QUOTE ...   Oct 31 2007, 18:20
||- - greynol   QUOTE (plnelson @ Oct 31 2007, 10:20) And...   Oct 31 2007, 18:55
||- - skamp   QUOTE (plnelson @ Oct 31 2007, 18:20) And...   Nov 1 2007, 09:41
|- - Artemis3   QUOTE (plnelson @ Oct 31 2007, 11:09) All...   Oct 31 2007, 19:22
|- - sraffa   QUOTE (Artemis3 @ Oct 31 2007, 13:22) . ....   Oct 31 2007, 20:19
|- - plnelson   QUOTE (Artemis3 @ Oct 31 2007, 14:22) Rig...   Nov 6 2007, 18:24
- - digital   . . You cats need to take a stiff shot of your fa...   Oct 31 2007, 02:13
- - Fuchal   How long do you think before the labels are out of...   Oct 31 2007, 04:06
- - LANjackal   @ plnelson: Aren't you the same guy who starte...   Oct 31 2007, 04:29
- - Canar   Let's take a look at the people who are provid...   Oct 31 2007, 04:35
- - Artemis3   My, my, this topic is also here Quoting myself at...   Oct 31 2007, 07:27
- - boombaard   QUOTE All the armchair philosophizing in your post...   Oct 31 2007, 16:59
- - Triza   Just my 2 pence: Labels will be smaller, but they ...   Oct 31 2007, 23:15
|- - Lyx   QUOTE (Triza @ Nov 1 2007, 00:15) Just my...   Nov 1 2007, 06:19
- - Cosmo   Who pays $15 - $18 per CD?   Nov 1 2007, 00:20
- - SebastianG   CDs in Germany usually cost 15-18 EUR (20-25 USD)....   Nov 1 2007, 01:13
|- - Light-Fire   QUOTE (SebastianG @ Oct 31 2007, 19:13) C...   Nov 1 2007, 01:47
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- - Night Surfer   The numbers argument is funny. Of course one canno...   Nov 1 2007, 15:53
|- - greynol   Not one single person in this entire thread is jus...   Nov 1 2007, 17:30
|- - Pepzhez   An easy solution to this dilemma could be devised ...   Nov 1 2007, 21:14
|- - Lyx   QUOTE (Pepzhez @ Nov 1 2007, 22:14) An ea...   Nov 2 2007, 09:39
|- - plnelson   QUOTE (Pepzhez @ Nov 1 2007, 16:14) Had I...   Nov 6 2007, 18:40
||- - Pepzhez   QUOTE (plnelson @ Nov 6 2007, 09:40) If y...   Nov 7 2007, 05:58
|- - uart   QUOTE (Pepzhez @ Nov 1 2007, 12:14) Speak...   Nov 7 2007, 09:56
- - simonh   well said, pepzhez.   Nov 1 2007, 22:58
- - Artemis3   And yet, Pepzhez is not the only one... So plnels...   Nov 2 2007, 07:53
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|- - skamp   QUOTE (Fandango @ Nov 2 2007, 14:20) Arti...   Nov 2 2007, 14:51
|- - Fandango   QUOTE (skamp @ Nov 2 2007, 14:51) So... p...   Nov 2 2007, 15:04
|- - skamp   QUOTE (Fandango @ Nov 2 2007, 15:04) Yes,...   Nov 2 2007, 16:35
|- - SnTholiday   QUOTE let people decide what they want to buy. Pe...   Nov 2 2007, 23:01
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