When Pigs Fly: The Death of Oink, the Birth of Dissent |
When Pigs Fly: The Death of Oink, the Birth of Dissent |
Oct 29 2007, 21:30
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perhaps an interesting/entertaining read: (not by my hand, found it yesterday)
http://www.demonbaby.com/blog/2007/10/when...k-birth-of.html QUOTE (article introduction) For quite a long time I've been intending to post some sort of commentary on the music industry - piracy, distribution, morality, those types of things. I've thought about it many times, but never gone through with it, because the issue is such a broad, messy one - such a difficult thing to address fairly and compactly. I knew it would result in a rambly, unfocused commentary, and my exact opinion has teetered back and forth quite a bit over the years anyway. But on Monday, when I woke up to the news that Oink, the world famous torrent site and mecca for music-lovers everywhere, had been shut down by international police and various anti-piracy groups, I knew it was finally time to try and organize my thoughts on this huge, sticky, important issue. edit2: thanks for editing the title, kind (and anonymous) moderator This post has been edited by boombaard: Oct 29 2007, 23:57 |
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Oct 30 2007, 21:34
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numbers are interpreted by a program, so they are more like words. can words be owned? sure they can when put in the right order.
take goethe's faust for example. that's what intellectual property is all about. This post has been edited by neomoe: Oct 30 2007, 21:35 |
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Oct 30 2007, 21:51
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numbers are interpreted by a program, so they are more like words. can words be owned? sure they can when put in the right order. take goethe's faust for example. that's what intellectual property is all about. Exactly. I'm a published writer and photographer, not to mention a software engineer. All of those expressions of my labor and creativity can be encoded digitally and copied perfectly an infinite number of times. But they are still all mine and if someone misappropriated them I would have both the legal and moral right to take action against them. The world economy is increasingly based on knowledge and symbol manipulation - the fruits of millions of people's labor are "just" numbers. We're not living in Victorian England where a good day's work depended on sweating limbs and clanging hammers. The long term legal trend is to strengthen rights for abstract property, as well it should given that more and more people's livelihoods depend on it. |
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boombaard When Pigs Fly: The Death of Oink Oct 29 2007, 21:30
neomoe very nice read! thank you for sharing this... Oct 29 2007, 22:58
Fandango "so this is why CDs cost $18..."
H... Oct 29 2007, 23:17
seanyseansean If you disregard their 'illegal' status, b... Oct 30 2007, 00:19
LANjackal Interesting. I was wondering just how long it woul... Oct 30 2007, 02:02
Canar Mentioning an illegal site that no longer exists i... Oct 30 2007, 03:23
plnelson I certainly don't disagree that the music indu... Oct 30 2007, 18:25
skamp QUOTE (plnelson @ Oct 30 2007, 18:25) No ... Oct 31 2007, 14:26
Fandango *rofl* Why is it always the stealing cars analogy ... Oct 30 2007, 19:31
plnelson QUOTE (Fandango @ Oct 30 2007, 14:31) *ro... Oct 30 2007, 19:46
Canar An MP3 is a very long number. Likewise, a track on... Oct 30 2007, 20:30
plnelson QUOTE (Canar @ Oct 30 2007, 15:30) An MP3... Oct 30 2007, 21:31
Light-Fire QUOTE (plnelson @ Oct 30 2007, 15:51) ...... Oct 31 2007, 03:54
Canar neomoe, at the basic level, words are numbers as w... Oct 30 2007, 21:54
plnelson QUOTE (Canar @ Oct 30 2007, 16:54) plnels... Oct 30 2007, 23:22
boombaard QUOTE An MP3 is a very long number. Likewise, a tr... Oct 30 2007, 21:57
krabapple from the rant:
QUOTE because you can all but guar... Oct 30 2007, 22:10
greynol Didn't we already have this discussion a short... Oct 30 2007, 23:26
Axon The bigger question is how the overall flow of mon... Oct 31 2007, 01:14
plnelson QUOTE (Axon @ Oct 30 2007, 20:14) Would i... Oct 31 2007, 16:09
skamp QUOTE (plnelson @ Oct 31 2007, 16:09) All... Oct 31 2007, 17:30

plnelson QUOTE (skamp @ Oct 31 2007, 12:30) QUOTE ... Oct 31 2007, 18:20

greynol QUOTE (plnelson @ Oct 31 2007, 10:20) And... Oct 31 2007, 18:55

skamp QUOTE (plnelson @ Oct 31 2007, 18:20) And... Nov 1 2007, 09:41
Artemis3 QUOTE (plnelson @ Oct 31 2007, 11:09) All... Oct 31 2007, 19:22
sraffa QUOTE (Artemis3 @ Oct 31 2007, 13:22) . .... Oct 31 2007, 20:19
plnelson QUOTE (Artemis3 @ Oct 31 2007, 14:22) Rig... Nov 6 2007, 18:24
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You cats need to take a stiff shot of your fa... Oct 31 2007, 02:13
Fuchal How long do you think before the labels are out of... Oct 31 2007, 04:06
LANjackal @ plnelson: Aren't you the same guy who starte... Oct 31 2007, 04:29
Canar Let's take a look at the people who are provid... Oct 31 2007, 04:35
Artemis3 My, my, this topic is also here
Quoting myself at... Oct 31 2007, 07:27
boombaard QUOTE All the armchair philosophizing in your post... Oct 31 2007, 16:59
Triza Just my 2 pence: Labels will be smaller, but they ... Oct 31 2007, 23:15
Lyx QUOTE (Triza @ Nov 1 2007, 00:15) Just my... Nov 1 2007, 06:19
Cosmo Who pays $15 - $18 per CD? Nov 1 2007, 00:20
SebastianG CDs in Germany usually cost 15-18 EUR (20-25 USD).... Nov 1 2007, 01:13
Light-Fire QUOTE (SebastianG @ Oct 31 2007, 19:13) C... Nov 1 2007, 01:47
david_dl Here, a newly released CD by a local artist, or an... Nov 1 2007, 03:54
randal1013 i just read on blabbermouth that trent reznor had ... Nov 1 2007, 04:42
Night Surfer The numbers argument is funny. Of course one canno... Nov 1 2007, 15:53
greynol Not one single person in this entire thread is jus... Nov 1 2007, 17:30
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uart QUOTE (Pepzhez @ Nov 1 2007, 12:14) Speak... Nov 7 2007, 09:56
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So plnels... Nov 2 2007, 07:53
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SnTholiday QUOTE let people decide what they want to buy.
Pe... Nov 2 2007, 23:01
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