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FLAC -0 ... -8, What is your compression level?
What is your compresion level?
FLAC
-0 [ 3 ] ** [0.61%]
-1 [ 1 ] ** [0.20%]
-2 [ 1 ] ** [0.20%]
-3 [ 2 ] ** [0.41%]
-4 [ 4 ] ** [0.82%]
-5 [ 102 ] ** [20.86%]
-6 [ 55 ] ** [11.25%]
-7 [ 4 ] ** [0.82%]
-8 [ 297 ] ** [60.74%]
-8 -A tukey(0.5) -A flattop [ 20 ] ** [4.09%]
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IgorC
post Nov 3 2007, 06:28
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What makes FLAC so widely used? Because it's asymmetric? Are people satisfied enough by compression ratio or is it price for high decoding speed?

Last time I start to compress my CD rips with even more asymmetric settings:
-l 12 -b 1152 -r 6 -e

Compression ratio is as of -4 preset but decode speed is higher than for -3 and 10% slower than -0. It's of course at cost of lower encoding speed than of -4 preset.
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post Nov 5 2007, 15:01
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QUOTE (IgorC @ Nov 3 2007, 00:28) *
What makes FLAC so widely used? Because it's asymmetric? Are people satisfied enough by compression ratio or is it price for high decoding speed?

Perhaps one of the most significant factors in FLAC's public adoption was the embrace of the taper-friendly touring band community. Shorten was, as Synthetic Soul intimated, originally the choice for trading such material, but as FLAC achieved superior speed and compression ratios - and given it's cross-platform compatibility (another big factor for live audio archivists) - it soon supplanted Shorten as the codec of choice.

Arguably, Monkey's Audio was at one point vying for the same status... but given the number of systems on which the decoding of APE files was simply too processor-intensive to be feasible on a large scale, it is (mostly) only among the fans of certain bands that Monkey's Audio is still considered a desirable trade format.

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post Nov 5 2007, 18:28
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QUOTE (M @ Nov 5 2007, 16:01) *
QUOTE (IgorC @ Nov 3 2007, 00:28) *

What makes FLAC so widely used? Because it's asymmetric? Are people satisfied enough by compression ratio or is it price for high decoding speed?

Perhaps one of the most significant factors in FLAC's public adoption was the embrace of the taper-friendly touring band community. Shorten was, as Synthetic Soul intimated, originally the choice for trading such material, but as FLAC achieved superior speed and compression ratios - and given it's cross-platform compatibility (another big factor for live audio archivists) - it soon supplanted Shorten as the codec of choice.

Arguably, Monkey's Audio was at one point vying for the same status... but given the number of systems on which the decoding of APE files was simply too processor-intensive to be feasible on a large scale, it is (mostly) only among the fans of certain bands that Monkey's Audio is still considered a desirable trade format.

- M.

Also, p2p.
Oink recommended, and made proper guides for, ripping in flac. With tens of thousands of rippers, thats a factor.
APE+cue cd image are still widely used in edonkey and japanese p2p (winny, share). On japanese systems however, TTA+cue cd images are starting to spread as well, mainly because True Audio is developed by a japanese person I believe.

Also flac was heavily promoted by xiph.org, and now has limited hardware support, which is another factor, since people will just associate lossless audio with flac in general (despite the best tries of both Apple and Microsoft with their own lossless formats).

Ah, the golden old days, when I used ape/cue myself for archiving, and Musepack for lossy copies...

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- IgorC   FLAC -0 ... -8   Nov 3 2007, 06:28
- - Synthetic Soul   It is interesting to see, so far, that the compres...   Nov 3 2007, 11:14
- - guruboolez   -8 On my side encoding speed is perfect for CD Rip...   Nov 3 2007, 11:30
- - Mitch A   -5, I've always just used this 9 (Being the de...   Nov 3 2007, 11:37
- - user   QUOTE (IgorC @ Nov 3 2007, 06:28) What ma...   Nov 3 2007, 12:56
- - drbeachboy   I use -8 now, though I was using -6 for a very lon...   Nov 3 2007, 16:21
- - Clear89   QUOTE (drbeachboy @ Nov 3 2007, 15:21) I ...   Nov 3 2007, 16:34
- - Borisz   I never understood, what does -A tukey(0.5) -A fla...   Nov 3 2007, 16:41
- - verbajim   I've gone the other way, from 8 to 6 because I...   Nov 3 2007, 18:53
- - beto   -5 for me. I used to use -8 but since there is no ...   Nov 3 2007, 19:42
- - lunkhead   5, but maybe i'll try 6. did you have to incl...   Nov 3 2007, 19:57
- - Synthetic Soul   QUOTE (user @ Nov 3 2007, 11:56) flac was...   Nov 3 2007, 19:57
|- - jcoalson   QUOTE (Synthetic Soul @ Nov 3 2007, 13:57...   Nov 5 2007, 20:34
|- - GeSomeone   QUOTE (jcoalson @ Nov 5 2007, 20:34) depe...   Nov 5 2007, 22:52
- - Engywuck   I usually use -8, since even when ripping 2 CDs si...   Nov 5 2007, 10:19
- - Bad Monkey   QUOTE (Engywuck @ Nov 5 2007, 22:19) I us...   Nov 5 2007, 14:41
- - M   QUOTE (IgorC @ Nov 3 2007, 00:28) What ma...   Nov 5 2007, 15:01
|- - Borisz   QUOTE (M @ Nov 5 2007, 16:01) QUOTE (Igor...   Nov 5 2007, 18:28
- - verbajim   QUOTE (Bad Monkey @ Nov 5 2007, 14:41) I ...   Nov 5 2007, 20:26
|- - Bad Monkey   QUOTE (verbajim @ Nov 6 2007, 08:26) QUOT...   Nov 8 2007, 09:27
|- - EagleScout1998   QUOTE (Bad Monkey @ Nov 8 2007, 03:27) No...   Nov 17 2007, 23:37
- - Seiitsu   -8 It encodes really really fast for me... so no ...   Nov 5 2007, 20:30
|- - probedb   QUOTE (Seiitsu @ Nov 5 2007, 19:30) -8 I...   Nov 8 2007, 09:24
- - ArtMustHurt   -8 here as well   Nov 10 2007, 18:19
- - collector   In the longhelp I read that -8 and -7 have -e embe...   Nov 17 2007, 13:58
- - Bourne   I hope Blue-Ray/HD-DVD Players come with FLAC supp...   Nov 17 2007, 23:47
|- - IgorC   QUOTE (Bourne @ Nov 17 2007, 14:47) I hop...   Nov 18 2007, 00:08
- - djdust   Complete newbie thickie here so, apologies if this...   Dec 2 2007, 17:48
- - SamHain86   @ DJdust: The 0-8 is the compression setting. With...   Dec 2 2007, 17:52
|- - djdust   QUOTE (SamHain86 @ Dec 2 2007, 16:52) @ D...   Dec 2 2007, 18:57
|- - damaki   QUOTE (SamHain86 @ Dec 2 2007, 17:52) @ D...   Dec 2 2007, 19:49
- - SamHain86   @ Damaki: ... AH HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!- You near...   Dec 2 2007, 20:02
- - miranon   I use -6. Best compromise for me between 7-8 and 5...   Feb 6 2008, 19:55
- - naturfreak   Default setting (-5), I don't care about 0.5% ...   Feb 6 2008, 20:48
- - ArtMustHurt   i use -6, i ripped a bunch of cds last night and r...   Mar 11 2008, 13:09
- - 2tec   Using -8 myself, why compromise? Besides with mult...   Apr 20 2008, 15:59
- - KFal   When I ripped the entire CD collection of my girl ...   Apr 6 2009, 10:26
|- - insane_alien   -8 it shaves a few gigabytes off my collection a...   Apr 6 2009, 13:40
- - Angenial   QUOTE (IgorC @ Nov 2 2007, 21:28) What ma...   Apr 6 2009, 18:08
- - madoka@ex-sounds   -8 for peace of my mind   Apr 6 2009, 18:30
- - _mē_   -8. Considering that I don't plan recoding mor...   Apr 7 2009, 20:25
|- - ktf   QUOTE (_mē_ @ Apr 7 2009, 21:25) -8 -A tu...   Apr 13 2009, 18:42
- - tev777   --best here. Why use any other setting when you ca...   Apr 8 2009, 03:53
- - ottl   -8. As many, I think the extra wait is no problem ...   Apr 8 2009, 10:41
- - sshd   -5 is a good default choice. -8 is a waste of ti...   Apr 8 2009, 11:29
- - JJZolx   Less than zero. --max-lpc-order=0 --disable-c...   Apr 20 2009, 02:52
- - frozenspeed   What the heck is flattop?   Apr 20 2009, 03:31
|- - Justin Ruggles   QUOTE (frozenspeed @ Apr 19 2009, 22:31) ...   Apr 20 2009, 14:37
- - hazumi-san   I just started using flac and I used the -8.... en...   Apr 24 2009, 15:45
- - ManekiNeko   Flac -8 makes virtually no difference in compressi...   May 3 2009, 15:36
- - acetylcholine   -8 for me. Using a multi-core processor and it ta...   May 5 2009, 10:10
- - hero   The final size doesn't really differ between t...   May 11 2009, 20:42
- - doccolinni   I use -8. I really don't have any trouble at a...   May 29 2009, 12:18
- - collector   -6, seems to be the best of both worlds. And I...   May 30 2009, 11:43
- - jmcguckin   I've been using -8 for several years now, only...   Jun 22 2009, 17:11


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