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What does ABX really prove?
audioslut512
post Nov 10 2007, 18:59
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I recently did some ABX tests of music encoded in FLAC levels 0-8.

To my surprise I could tell the difference more often than not.

Yet I couldn't help but wonder, what does this really prove?

It seems that if an audible difference exists between two tracks, that difference wouldn't necessarily indicate anything as to which track is of higher quality, but rather, that those two tracks are merely different from one another...

Am I missing the point in all of this?
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post Nov 10 2007, 19:15
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There are other tests to rank differences. The point of ABX is to determine if you can distinguish a difference.


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audioslut512
post Nov 10 2007, 19:36
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QUOTE (greynol @ Nov 10 2007, 13:15) *
There are other tests to rank differences. The point of ABX is to determine if you can distinguish a difference.


This is more along the lines of what I was asking. It seems that ABX only helps you determine whether there is or is not a difference between two tracks encoded from the same source, and not necessarily whether those differences make one track of higher quality than another...
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- audioslut512   What does ABX really prove?   Nov 10 2007, 18:59
- - user   Please show details of your abx tests. Do you have...   Nov 10 2007, 19:05
- - tgoose   An ABX test tells you how likely it is that you ca...   Nov 10 2007, 19:06
- - maksm   No, you're not. If there is a difference, and ...   Nov 10 2007, 19:07
|- - tgoose   QUOTE (maksm @ Nov 10 2007, 18:07) No, yo...   Nov 10 2007, 19:11
- - greynol   There are other tests to rank differences. The po...   Nov 10 2007, 19:15
|- - audioslut512   QUOTE (greynol @ Nov 10 2007, 13:15) Ther...   Nov 10 2007, 19:36
- - Nikaki   Doing ABX on FLAC and actually being successful in...   Nov 10 2007, 19:20
- - greynol   An ABX test cannot prove that there isn't a di...   Nov 10 2007, 19:40
|- - audioslut512   QUOTE (greynol @ Nov 10 2007, 13:40) Actu...   Nov 10 2007, 19:43
- - greynol   I concur with the first response you were given, b...   Nov 10 2007, 19:50
|- - audioslut512   QUOTE (greynol @ Nov 10 2007, 13:50) I co...   Nov 10 2007, 20:03
|- - Mike Giacomelli   QUOTE (audioslut512 @ Nov 10 2007, 12:03)...   Nov 10 2007, 20:08
|- - audioslut512   QUOTE (Mike Giacomelli @ Nov 10 2007, 14...   Nov 10 2007, 23:47
|- - guruboolez   QUOTE (audioslut512 @ Nov 11 2007, 00:47)...   Nov 11 2007, 01:29
|- - SiriusB   QUOTE (audioslut512 @ Nov 10 2007, 16:47)...   Nov 12 2007, 08:25
|- - Vitecs   Not to mention what author is doing with his ABXin...   Nov 12 2007, 09:14
|- - cliveb   QUOTE (Vitecs @ Nov 12 2007, 08:14) Can i...   Nov 12 2007, 09:54
- - greynol   You're not understanding. If you think you...   Nov 10 2007, 20:08
- - Cosmo   QUOTE (audioslut512 @ Nov 10 2007, 12:59)...   Nov 10 2007, 20:31
- - eevan   No offence, but having read all your posts, I...   Nov 11 2007, 00:17
- - AndyH-ha   In the laboratory, and in most audiophile living r...   Nov 11 2007, 00:31
- - greynol   What an incredible waste of time! I propose t...   Nov 11 2007, 00:39
- - odyssey   How can you discuss this? QUOTE (audioslut512 ...   Nov 11 2007, 00:51
- - kwanbis   QUOTE (audioslut512 @ Nov 10 2007, 17:59)...   Nov 11 2007, 01:11
- - audioslut512   just forget it kids.   Nov 11 2007, 02:59
|- - sld   QUOTE (audioslut512 @ Nov 11 2007, 09:59)...   Nov 12 2007, 05:34
|- - audioslut512   QUOTE (sld @ Nov 11 2007, 23:34) QUOTE (a...   Nov 12 2007, 07:09
|- - sld   QUOTE (audioslut512 @ Nov 12 2007, 14:09)...   Nov 12 2007, 10:06
|- - MedO   Well, I just noticed that even I *might* be able t...   Nov 12 2007, 10:33
- - Mike Giacomelli   I still don't really understand what you did. ...   Nov 11 2007, 03:16
|- - audioslut512   QUOTE (Mike Giacomelli @ Nov 10 2007, 21...   Nov 11 2007, 04:56
|- - tgoose   QUOTE (greynol @ Nov 10 2007, 18:40) An A...   Nov 11 2007, 10:18
|- - Alexxander   QUOTE (audioslut512 @ Nov 11 2007, 05:56)...   Nov 11 2007, 11:06
|- - robert   QUOTE (audioslut512 @ Nov 11 2007, 04:56)...   Nov 11 2007, 13:03
||- - audioslut512   QUOTE (robert @ Nov 11 2007, 07:03) QUOTE...   Nov 11 2007, 23:38
|- - Light-Fire   QUOTE (audioslut512 @ Nov 10 2007, 22:56)...   Nov 12 2007, 08:04
- - shadowking   I wouldn't even want to see any lossless abx l...   Nov 11 2007, 05:07
- - William   audioslut512: What is your definition of ABX? Wha...   Nov 11 2007, 06:14
|- - audioslut512   QUOTE (William @ Nov 11 2007, 00:14) audi...   Nov 11 2007, 07:54
- - Bad Monkey   Just run the bit-comparator to check you are in fa...   Nov 11 2007, 10:11
- - kjoonlee   "More often than not" does not equal ...   Nov 11 2007, 12:34
- - greynol   The point is that you cannot make a proper conclus...   Nov 11 2007, 23:43
|- - audioslut512   QUOTE (greynol @ Nov 11 2007, 17:43) The ...   Nov 11 2007, 23:44
- - greynol   You chose not to accept the fact that you couldn...   Nov 12 2007, 00:00
|- - audioslut512   QUOTE (greynol @ Nov 11 2007, 18:00) You ...   Nov 12 2007, 06:57
- - Heresiarch   There is just no point in ABXing lossless files. I...   Nov 12 2007, 00:09
|- - greynol   QUOTE (Heresiarch @ Nov 11 2007, 15:09) T...   Nov 12 2007, 01:13
- - Bad Monkey   He doesn't even know if there are errors. It...   Nov 12 2007, 02:08
- - SamHain86   @MedO- -When you run anythingABX test, I always fo...   Nov 12 2007, 11:43
- - sld   MedO, it also happens on my Core Duo laptop, thoug...   Nov 12 2007, 15:16


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