96 vs. 48 or 44.1 kHz sampling --> scientific test, perhaps here is the 1. listening test ! |
96 vs. 48 or 44.1 kHz sampling --> scientific test, perhaps here is the 1. listening test ! |
Jan 30 2003, 12:42
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http://www.hfm-detmold.de/texts/de/hfm/eti...ten/seite1.html
http://www.hfm-detmold.de/texts/de/hfm/eti...ten/seite9.html etc. (seite = site / page) it is a summary of German diploma work, written 1998, so it should be independent from companies like Zoony etc. It was quite a good reading, I hope, somebody of the germans could translate important things, sorry, I have no time. So, the result was: 44.1 kHz, 16 bit: they used Tascam-DAT-Recorder DA-30 MKII as reference for CD standard, 44.1/16. They tell, that this was picked out very clearly from the majority. (btw, they show a graph, that says, that 16 bit has in mid frequency range a noise level, which is higher than our hearing abilities. very interesting !) so, 44.1/16 is not sufficient. 48 kHz, 24 bit one DAC was preferred over analogue original, but why could not be figured out. So there was difference but which ? another DAC was able to reproduce the analogue original as best DAC of all tested, better than all the 96 kHz DACs !!!!! in blind test it was 50/50 %, so this DAC could not be distinguihsed from original source. 96 kHz: Dacs had worse performance than the 48 khZ ones. but some were "beta-versions...". Look at the graphs, especially site 9. Sorry for this short post, but I think, it may interest you... This post has been edited by user: Jan 30 2003, 12:43 -------------------- www.High-Quality.ch.vu -- High Quality Audio Archiving Tutorials
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Jan 31 2003, 12:44
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What about the consumer products ?
Even if 48 kHz 20 bit is enough in theory, wouldn't it be possible to design cheap 24/96 kHz converters that would play 24/96 audio with the same quality as an expensive 20/48 one ? |
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user 96 vs. 48 or 44.1 kHz sampling --> scientific test Jan 30 2003, 12:42
Garf An dieser Stelle muss aber sicherlich berücksichti... Jan 30 2003, 12:55
budgie QUOTE so, 44.1/16 is not sufficient.
HA... HA..... Jan 30 2003, 13:23
Garf Well, if I understand the German right, they did i... Jan 30 2003, 13:30
user just a moment, it doesn't help, if you cite si... Jan 30 2003, 13:49
NumLOCK Garf, I have not read this article yet but it seem... Jan 30 2003, 13:55
user QUOTE (Garf @ Jan 30 2003 - 01:30 PM)Well, if... Jan 30 2003, 13:56
NumLOCK QUOTE They had one very important test-setup for t... Jan 30 2003, 13:58
F1Sushi I think it's pretty clear from this "stud... Jan 30 2003, 15:00
ChristianHJW Here is how i would make such a test :
1. Record ... Jan 30 2003, 16:33
budgie Hey, hey, people... stop, please!!! So... Jan 30 2003, 16:54
F1Sushi You're certainly entitled to your opinion (so ... Jan 30 2003, 17:25
SK1 This "study" is completely flawed.
Until... Jan 30 2003, 17:40
user Sorry SK1,
please tell me, what is flawed in thi... Jan 30 2003, 20:00
F1Sushi QUOTE (user @ Jan 30 2003 - 03:00 PM)"in... Jan 30 2003, 21:23
NumLOCK QUOTE (user @ Jan 30 2003 - 08:00 PM)[...]
wh... Jan 30 2003, 21:26
user Numlock,
now I am even asking myself, if you have ... Jan 30 2003, 22:11
jesseg QUOTE (NumLOCK @ Jan 30 2003 - 02:26 PM)...I ... Jan 30 2003, 22:57
ChristianHJW I took the time and read the complete article.
us... Jan 30 2003, 23:25
Doctor Least Significant Bit in this case. Jan 30 2003, 23:37
jesseg thanks, ill read up about its important, if someth... Jan 30 2003, 23:39
AgentMil Slightly OT
Sound is so subjective, in that I th... Jan 31 2003, 07:21
NumLOCK QUOTE (user @ Jan 30 2003 - 10:11 PM)Numlock,... Jan 31 2003, 09:08
budgie QUOTE ...it tells quite clearly, that 96 kHz is no... Jan 31 2003, 09:16
NumLOCK QUOTE (budgie @ Jan 31 2003 - 09:16 AM)NumLOC... Jan 31 2003, 09:23
Bedeox QUOTE (ChristianHJW @ Jan 30 2003 - 07:33 AM)... Jan 31 2003, 09:33
NumLOCK Bedeox: Why not record the analog to 96kHz, 24 bi... Jan 31 2003, 10:06
Bedeox Lowpass filtering sound introduces differences... ... Jan 31 2003, 10:18
NumLOCK QUOTE (Bedeox @ Jan 31 2003 - 10:18 AM)Lowpas... Jan 31 2003, 10:34
Bedeox Who wants to make such a test and has the equipmen... Jan 31 2003, 10:40
NumLOCK QUOTE (Pio2001 @ Jan 31 2003 - 12:44 PM)What ... Jan 31 2003, 15:19
Bedeox What is a 'typical' linearity?
Every type... Jan 31 2003, 15:30
mithrandir Arguing over the wrong things...
I would be perfe... Jan 31 2003, 16:40
F1Sushi QUOTE (mithrandir @ Jan 31 2003 - 11:40 AM)Ar... Jan 31 2003, 17:17
Bedeox You're so much right, mithrandir... a lot of m... Jan 31 2003, 17:20
F1Sushi Does anyone remember this article on compression a... Jan 31 2003, 17:26
budgie Uh? Jan 31 2003, 20:24
F1Sushi QUOTE (budgie @ Jan 31 2003 - 03:24 PM)QUOTE ... Jan 31 2003, 20:38
Bedeox Oh yeah... THE OTHER SIDE you say?
From INSIDE of ... Jan 31 2003, 20:43![]() ![]() |
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