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 Mar 3 2008, 01:30
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Will we ever see an option where we can encode a song to mp3 format and have it be lossless?
Since mp3 format is one of the most wildly used formats I'm surprised there isn't an option for lossless comprerssion. It sucks having only ALAC as the only option for lossless compression for the iPod. |
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Mar 3 2008, 02:06
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QUOTE (ge0rgieee @ Mar 2 2008, 20:30)  Will we ever see an option where we can encode a song to mp3 format and have it be lossless? Since mp3 format is one of the most wildly used formats I'm surprised there isn't an option for lossless comprerssion. It sucks having only ALAC as the only option for lossless compression for the iPod. No, that is not possible. |
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Mar 3 2008, 02:54
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QUOTE (pdq @ Mar 2 2008, 20:06) QUOTE (ge0rgieee @ Mar 2 2008, 20:30) Will we ever see an option where we can encode a song to mp3 format and have it be lossless? Since mp3 format is one of the most wildly used formats I'm surprised there isn't an option for lossless comprerssion. It sucks having only ALAC as the only option for lossless compression for the iPod. No, that is not possible. ---------- Why is it not possible? Is there a supernatural force that stops the programmers of LAME from putting in a switch that does this? |
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Mar 3 2008, 02:59
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QUOTE (Ipodiot @ Mar 3 2008, 02:54) Is there a supernatural force that stops the programmers of LAME from putting in a switch that does this? No, just the small problem that the resulting file wouldn't be an mp3 anymore (and definitely wouldn't play in your iPod). Moderation: Please keep quotations at a reasonable level. Only quote what you're replying to, and save my scrollwheel some wear. This post has been edited by JensRex: Mar 6 2008, 10:18 |
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Mar 3 2008, 03:01
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QUOTE (gaekwad2 @ Mar 2 2008, 20:59) No, just the small problem that the resulting file wouldn't be an mp3 anymore (and definitely wouldn't play in your iPod). Why couldn't it be an mp3? Can one not turn a wav file into an mp3 without making the mp3 lossy? Just make it into the mp3 file structure? Moderation: Please keep quotations at a reasonable level. Only quote what you're replying to, and save my scrollwheel some wear. This post has been edited by JensRex: Mar 6 2008, 10:17 |
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 Mar 8 2008, 08:23
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QUOTE (Ipodiot @ Mar 2 2008, 20:01) Why couldn't it be an mp3? Can one not turn a wav file into an mp3 without making the mp3 lossy? Just make it into the mp3 file structure? NO. 1. MP3 was designed as lossy and heavily relies on transformations that are lossy ... no way to "remove the loss" 2. You "can" hack LAME to "remove the loss" - but it's pointless, you will get either a uncompressed WAV with wrong header/frames, or a FLAC or WAVPACK with wrong header, or whatever broken file, but it definitely won't play in any "MP3 player" 3. Seems you don't know what "MP3" is: it is a proprietary and lossy audio compression algorithm 4. There is also digital audio beyond MP3  5. If you need lostless, why don't you use just FLAC, WAVPACK or TAK ? All those are free and open source (TAK hopefully soon), unlike MP3 6. You should "push" the audio player (not "MP3-player") manufacturers to add support for FLAC, WAVPACK, TAK and OGG VORBIS, rather than LAME devels to "remove the loss"  Bourne wrote: QUOTE Lossless formats are nothing but data compressors just like ZIP/RAR. If "nothing" else, they are considerably smarter and compress better ... remember that WiNZip 13 just uses WAVPACK ... thus the "good" results are due to the WAVPACK algorithm, not the Deflate (standard of ZIP) algorithm
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