Lame 3.98 beta 8, 2008-04-13 |
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Lame 3.98 beta 8, 2008-04-13 |
 Apr 14 2008, 12:21
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Updated : lame 3.98 beta 8 (major new feature) (2008-04-13 15:26)
Sources : http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.p...;package_id=309 Binaries : RareWares LameDropXPd v2 : RareWares LameDrop CVS : http://lame.cvs.sourceforge.net/lame/lame/...me/?sortby=date Official LAME v3.98 Beta 8 is out on April 13 2008:
EDIT: RareWares binaries now available and link to LameDrop added This post has been edited by jaybeee: Apr 15 2008, 15:32 -------------------- http://www.health4ni.com/
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Apr 14 2008, 12:30
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QUOTE (jaybeee @ Apr 14 2008, 13:21)  [*]LAME now accepts a floating point value in the range [0,...,10[ as VBR quality setting, like -V5.678 That is a great feature! 
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Apr 14 2008, 13:40
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QUOTE (bug80 @ Apr 14 2008, 12:30) QUOTE (jaybeee @ Apr 14 2008, 13:21) [*]LAME now accepts a floating point value in the range [0,...,10[ as VBR quality setting, like -V5.678 That is a great feature! Now would be a good time to check if -V5,678 works correctly. (Some countries use the comma as the decimal thingy.) -------------------- http://blacksun.ivyro.net/vorbis/vorbisfaq.htm
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Apr 14 2008, 13:40
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Awesome.. I'll have to try sometime.
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Apr 14 2008, 14:31
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QUOTE (bug80 @ Apr 14 2008, 13:30) QUOTE (jaybeee @ Apr 14 2008, 13:21) [*]LAME now accepts a floating point value in the range [0,...,10[ as VBR quality setting, like -V5.678 That is a great feature! Well, I found it difficult to choose between V2 and V3, so... 
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Apr 14 2008, 14:39
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QUOTE Well, I found it difficult to choose between V2 and V3, so... Me, too. Can't help but thinking of kinda belated April fool's joke... |
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Apr 14 2008, 15:09
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QUOTE (sundance @ Apr 14 2008, 15:39) QUOTE Well, I found it difficult to choose between V2 and V3, so... Me, too. Can't help but thinking of kinda belated April fool's joke... I think it's nice. I am looking for a bitrate setting for portable use (as low as possible, without annoying artifacts). I did a lot of ABX testing: -V5: Annoying artifacts (~130 kbss) -V4: Not so much annoying artifacts (~165 kbs) Imagine that "-V4.5" would average around ~148 kbs, without annoying artifacts. On a 8 GB MP3 player, this means almost 800 minutes more music compared to V4! 
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Apr 14 2008, 15:33
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Wow this new feature will be very useful and -V2.5 could be enough for anyone. I can not get to compile on Ubuntu to test it though, kept getting a gcc error on the configure script, even if it is installed.
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Apr 14 2008, 15:54
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I'd be very interested to know whether the low-pass filter scales linearly with the infinitely variable -V figure. It would offer the interesting possibility of performing an automatic spectrographic scan of any original lossless music content prior to encoding to ensure that we capture everything in terms of upper frequency content in the source material. This would make it possible to have automatic or recommended -V value selection as a new option in front-end GUIs.
 Cheers, Slipstreem. 
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Apr 14 2008, 16:08
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QUOTE (kjoonlee @ Apr 14 2008, 14:40) Now would be a good time to check if -V5,678 works correctly. No, it does not. It never worked for lowpass too and nobody complaint about it. QUOTE (bug80 @ Apr 14 2008, 16:09) I did a lot of ABX testing: -V5: Annoying artifacts (~130 kbss) -V4: Not so much annoying artifacts (~165 kbs) Did you do alot ABX tests with 3.98 b8? QUOTE (/mnt @ Apr 14 2008, 16:33) Wow this new feature will be very useful and -V2.5 could be enough for anyone. I can not get to compile on Ubuntu to test it though, kept getting a gcc error on the configure script, even if it is installed. What's the problem on Ubuntu? Maybe post your problem on lame-dev mailing list and Alexander might help. Does the following bug-tracker entry match your problem? https://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?f...amp;atid=100290 This post has been edited by robert: Apr 14 2008, 16:40 |
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Apr 14 2008, 16:24
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QUOTE (robert @ Apr 14 2008, 17:08) QUOTE (bug80 @ Apr 14 2008, 16:09) I did a lot of ABX testing: -V5: Annoying artifacts (~130 kbss) -V4: Not so much annoying artifacts (~165 kbs) Did you do alot ABX tests with 3.98 b8? No, v3.97. This was hypothetical, of course I have to redo the tests for 3.98b8.
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Apr 14 2008, 16:42
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QUOTE (robert @ Apr 14 2008, 16:08) What's the problem on Ubuntu? Maybe post your problem on lame-dev mailing list and Alexander might help. Oops never mind, I needed to install G++ for it to work. Anyway I just tried at -V 0.8 CODE lame -V 0.8 Stigmata.wav LAME 3.98 (beta 8, Apr 14 2008) 32bits (http://www.mp3dev.org/) CPU features: MMX (ASM used), SSE (ASM used), SSE2 Using polyphase lowpass filter, transition band: 18671 Hz - 19205 Hz Encoding Stigmata.wav to Stigmata.wav.mp3 Encoding as 44.1 kHz j-stereo MPEG-1 Layer III VBR(q=0.8) Frame | CPU time/estim | REAL time/estim | play/CPU | ETA 13206/13206 (100%)| 0:14/ 0:14| 0:14/ 0:14| 23.388x| 0:00 32 [ 48] * 40 [ 0] 48 [ 1] % 56 [ 0] 64 [ 0] 80 [ 0] 96 [ 0] 112 [ 1] * 128 [ 4] % 160 [ 224] %** 192 [ 5114] %%%%%%%****************************************************** 224 [ 5700] %%%%%%%%%%********************************************************* 256 [ 1386] %%%%%************ 320 [ 728] %%%%%**** ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- kbps LR MS % long switch short % 218.4 16.3 83.7 94.4 3.2 2.4 Writing LAME Tag...done ReplayGain: -5.4dB -V 0 CODE lame -V 0 Stigmata.wav LAME 3.98 (beta 8, Apr 14 2008) 32bits (http://www.mp3dev.org/) CPU features: MMX (ASM used), SSE (ASM used), SSE2 Using polyphase lowpass filter, transition band: 19383 Hz - 19916 Hz Encoding Stigmata.wav to Stigmata.wav.mp3 Encoding as 44.1 kHz j-stereo MPEG-1 Layer III VBR(q=0) Frame | CPU time/estim | REAL time/estim | play/CPU | ETA 13206/13206 (100%)| 0:15/ 0:15| 0:15/ 0:15| 22.816x| 0:00 32 [ 48] * 40 [ 0] 48 [ 0] 56 [ 0] 64 [ 0] 80 [ 1] % 96 [ 0] 112 [ 0] 128 [ 1] % 160 [ 11] % 192 [ 393] %%%%** 224 [ 3757] %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%********************************** 256 [ 4924] %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%******************************************* 320 [ 4071] %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%***************** ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- kbps LR MS % long switch short % 263.8 46.6 53.4 94.4 3.2 2.4 Writing LAME Tag...done ReplayGain: -5.4dB -V 2.5 CODE lame -V 2.5 Stigmata.wav LAME 3.98 (beta 8, Apr 14 2008) 32bits (http://www.mp3dev.org/) CPU features: MMX (ASM used), SSE (ASM used), SSE2 Using polyphase lowpass filter, transition band: 17960 Hz - 18494 Hz Encoding Stigmata.wav to Stigmata.wav.mp3 Encoding as 44.1 kHz j-stereo MPEG-1 Layer III VBR(q=2.5) Frame | CPU time/estim | REAL time/estim | play/CPU | ETA 13206/13206 (100%)| 0:14/ 0:14| 0:14/ 0:14| 24.023x| 0:00 32 [ 49] % 40 [ 0] 48 [ 0] 56 [ 0] 64 [ 0] 80 [ 1] * 96 [ 0] 112 [ 13] * 128 [ 244] *** 160 [ 5434] %%%************************************************************ 192 [ 5826] %%%%%%************************************************************* 224 [ 1058] %%*********** 256 [ 337] %%** 320 [ 244] %%* ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- kbps LR MS % long switch short % 183.5 8.0 92.0 94.4 3.2 2.4 Writing LAME Tag...done ReplayGain: -5.4dB -V 2 CODE lame -V 2 Stigmata.wav
LAME 3.98 (beta 8, Apr 14 2008) 32bits (http://www.mp3dev.org/) CPU features: MMX (ASM used), SSE (ASM used), SSE2 Using polyphase lowpass filter, transition band: 18671 Hz - 19205 Hz Encoding Stigmata.wav to Stigmata.wav.mp3 Encoding as 44.1 kHz j-stereo MPEG-1 Layer III VBR(q=2) Frame | CPU time/estim | REAL time/estim | play/CPU | ETA 13206/13206 (100%)| 0:14/ 0:14| 0:14/ 0:14| 23.824x| 0:00 32 [ 49] % 40 [ 0] 48 [ 0] 56 [ 0] 64 [ 0] 80 [ 1] * 96 [ 0] 112 [ 3] * 128 [ 51] * 160 [ 2847] %%************************** 192 [ 7053] %%%%%************************************************************** 224 [ 2326] %%%******************** 256 [ 521] %%%** 320 [ 355] %%** ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- kbps LR MS % long switch short % 195.8 10.2 89.8 94.4 3.2 2.4 Writing LAME Tag...done ReplayGain: -5.4dB This post has been edited by /mnt: Apr 14 2008, 16:47 -------------------- FLAC -5
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Apr 14 2008, 16:47
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Apr 14 2008, 19:01
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Now it's up to the foobar2000 devs to correct the codec profile field. A setting of -V 1.99999 for example results in foobar showing VBR V1.
-------------------- Nothing is impossible if you don't need to do it yourself.
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Apr 14 2008, 19:30
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QUOTE (/mnt @ Apr 14 2008, 10:42) Oops never mind, I needed to install G++ for it to work. Anyway I just tried at -V 0.8 CODE lame -V 0.8 Stigmata.wav... I take it that's Ministry and you're using it as a worse case scenario (source material contains a lot of distortion and electronically generated sounds/noise)? -brendan -------------------- Hacking CD Robots & Autoloaders: http://hyperdiscs.pbwiki.com/
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Apr 14 2008, 20:00
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QUOTE (bhoar @ Apr 14 2008, 19:30) QUOTE (/mnt @ Apr 14 2008, 10:42) Oops never mind, I needed to install G++ for it to work. Anyway I just tried at -V 0.8 CODE lame -V 0.8 Stigmata.wav... I take it that's Ministry and you're using it as a worse case scenario (source material contains a lot of distortion and electronically generated sounds/noise)? -brendan Yep thats Ministry, some tracks from them can sometimes struggle at -V2. This track has some pre-echo problems on drums at around 2:51 (both 3.90.3 and 3.97) and 3:41 (very easy to ABX on 3.97) at -V2 --vbr-new or preset standard (3.90.3), depending on what sound equipment is used. I could pick it up on my old headphones (sennheiser hd202) but not on my new headphones (sennheiser hd215). This post has been edited by /mnt: Apr 14 2008, 20:45 -------------------- FLAC -5
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Apr 14 2008, 20:17
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QUOTE (jaybeee @ Apr 14 2008, 13:21)
Good to see that the new spreading function has been disabled again. |
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Apr 14 2008, 22:21
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Yet another plot (bitrate vs. V value):
 There are some jumps on the curve, for example: 2.99 -> 3 (-Y switch?); 6.248 -> 6.249 (resampling to 32 kHz starts here). (Of course exact bitrate values are valid only for my test wav file. YMMV. )
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Apr 14 2008, 23:04
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QUOTE (robert @ Apr 14 2008, 16:08) QUOTE (kjoonlee @ Apr 14 2008, 14:40) Now would be a good time to check if -V5,678 works correctly. No, it does not. It never worked for lowpass too and nobody complaint about it.Oh well, I just thought I'd mention it since flac.exe had a bug with that feature once..
This post has been edited by kjoonlee: Apr 14 2008, 23:05 -------------------- http://blacksun.ivyro.net/vorbis/vorbisfaq.htm
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 Apr 14 2008, 23:16
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QUOTE (kjoonlee @ Apr 14 2008, 13:40) QUOTE (bug80 @ Apr 14 2008, 12:30) QUOTE (jaybeee @ Apr 14 2008, 13:21) [*]LAME now accepts a floating point value in the range [0,...,10[ as VBR quality setting, like -V5.678 That is a great feature! Now would be a good time to check if -V5,678 works correctly. (Some countries use the comma as the decimal thingy.) 'Some' countries? The comma is more common than a dot as decimal separator... 
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Apr 15 2008, 06:08
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QUOTE (jaybeee @ Apr 14 2008, 04:21) [*]bug-fix: experimental code was defaulted by accident for VBR-NEW is that a bug introduced in beta 7 or how long has it been around? -------------------- --alt-presets are there for a reason! These other switches DO NOT work better than it, trust me on this.
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Apr 15 2008, 06:31
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QUOTE (lvqcl @ Apr 14 2008, 15:21) Yet another plot (bitrate vs. V value): There are some jumps on the curve, for example: 2.99 -> 3 (-Y switch?); 6.248 -> 6.249 (resampling to 32 kHz starts here). (Of course exact bitrate values are valid only for my test wav file. YMMV. )Thanks! That's really interesting! This post has been edited by Jebus: Apr 15 2008, 06:32 |
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Apr 15 2008, 08:18
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QUOTE (Maurits @ Apr 14 2008, 23:16) QUOTE (kjoonlee @ Apr 14 2008, 13:40) QUOTE (bug80 @ Apr 14 2008, 12:30) QUOTE (jaybeee @ Apr 14 2008, 13:21) [*]LAME now accepts a floating point value in the range [0,...,10[ as VBR quality setting, like -V5.678 That is a great feature! (Some countries use the comma as the decimal thingy.) 'Some' countries? The comma is more common than a dot as decimal separator... -------------------- lossyWAV -P -t|FLAC -5: 378kbps
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Apr 15 2008, 10:34
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QUOTE (Nick.C @ Apr 15 2008, 09:18) Looking at the list, India, the Peoples Republic of China, Pakistan, Nigeria and the United States all use the '.' - that's almost half of the population of the globe already.... Well, but hmm, big parts of africa ...once again... grey. Unknown territory. Maybe they have extraterrestrial number systems there? 
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Apr 15 2008, 12:36
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Intel 10.1 compiles now at Rarewares.
lamedropXPd has been modified to take account of the new fractional VBR quality settings. -------------------- John
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