Comparison : 24bit/192KHz/stereo FLAC vs. APE, How can it be ? |
Comparison : 24bit/192KHz/stereo FLAC vs. APE, How can it be ? |
Jul 25 2008, 16:55
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troll / ban evasion Group: Banned Posts: 244 Joined: 22-April 08 Member No.: 52991 |
Hi everybody,
I've just made a small comparison between Monkey's Audio 3.99 (Extra High Compression) and FLAC 1.21 (Compression level 8 ), using 24bit/192KHz/stereo files (the files were generated from a vinyl rip). Of course I expected APE to perform slightly better than FLAC, like it usually does for 16bit/44KHz/stereo files (2-3%, maybe even 5%)... but I didn't really expect this ! ![]() Take a look at all the file sizes : we're talking about 20% difference here ! The total file size is 1,53 Go for APE vs. 1,88 Go for FLAC. So I don't understand. I'm a genuine FLAC enthusiast (all my files are FLAC), but... how can it be ? Is there something wrong here ? Can we do something to improve all the FLAC file sizes ? Thanks in advance for your explanation. |
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Aug 16 2008, 11:12
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![]() Group: Developer Posts: 1317 Joined: 20-March 04 From: Göttingen (DE) Member No.: 12875 |
"[...] but if someone has time to try out sebastian's ideas I would be open to incorporating improvements into the encoder."
"[...] Still, this lattice quantization problem is kind of intriguing. [...]" Just in case anyone works on this: I sent Josh and Justin some C89 source code. It's able to compute approximations and the actual optimal set of quantized LP coefficients given a desired filter order and LP coefficient accuracy. edit: Since Josh and Justin might not have enough time at their hands to incorporate this in its current form I'm willing to share the source code with others, too (simplified BSD license). Cheers, SG This post has been edited by SebastianG: Aug 16 2008, 11:32 |
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foorious Comparison : 24bit/192KHz/stereo FLAC vs. APE Jul 25 2008, 16:55
viniciusferrao MonkeyAudio do not support 192kHz! :confused:
... Jul 26 2008, 00:47
Curtor QUOTE (viniciusferrao @ Jul 25 2008, 17:4... Jul 26 2008, 02:38
pawelq QUOTE (Curtor @ Jul 25 2008, 21:38) From ... Jul 28 2008, 15:25
Axon My understanding is that the lowest 8-12 bits of a... Jul 26 2008, 00:51
Nick.C QUOTE (Axon @ Jul 26 2008, 00:51) My unde... Jul 27 2008, 17:22
TBeck QUOTE (foorious @ Jul 25 2008, 16:55) Tak... Jul 27 2008, 04:48
foorious Thanks everyone for all your interesting answers.
... Jul 27 2008, 16:38
Dynamic QUOTE (foorious @ Jul 27 2008, 16:38) Oh,... Jul 27 2008, 18:36

Nick.C QUOTE (Dynamic @ Jul 27 2008, 18:36) In c... Jul 27 2008, 20:30

GeSomeone QUOTE (Nick.C @ Jul 27 2008, 21:30) 24/44... Jul 28 2008, 09:17

DARcode QUOTE (GeSomeone @ Jul 28 2008, 10:17) QU... Jul 28 2008, 11:42

TBeck QUOTE (GeSomeone @ Jul 28 2008, 09:17) If... Jul 28 2008, 18:04


bryant QUOTE (TBeck @ Jul 28 2008, 10:04) QUOTE ... Jul 29 2008, 17:17


TBeck QUOTE (bryant @ Jul 29 2008, 17:17) Thank... Jul 29 2008, 20:01


bryant QUOTE (TBeck @ Jul 29 2008, 12:01) QUOTE ... Jul 30 2008, 05:33


TBeck QUOTE (bryant @ Jul 30 2008, 05:33) So, f... Jul 31 2008, 13:01

Dynamic QUOTE (GeSomeone @ Jul 28 2008, 09:17) Se... Jul 28 2008, 19:46
TBeck QUOTE (foorious @ Jul 27 2008, 16:38) Oh,... Jul 27 2008, 18:53
Enig123 I think "anything" here just means no pa... Jul 28 2008, 15:34
pdq If you treat the data as simply a series of values... Jul 28 2008, 16:23
SebastianG This is in response to the original question.
FLA... Jul 28 2008, 18:36
TBeck QUOTE (TBeck @ Jul 29 2008, 20:01) Seems ... Jul 29 2008, 21:49
vpa Could you test TTA too?
It's very quick but gi... Jul 30 2008, 18:39
TBeck QUOTE (vpa @ Jul 30 2008, 18:39) Could yo... Jul 30 2008, 19:28
foorious Just a simple question : do TAK, APE and Optimfrog... Jul 31 2008, 17:49
vpa QUOTE (foorious @ Jul 31 2008, 18:49) BTW... Jul 31 2008, 18:13
GeSomeone QUOTE (foorious @ Jul 31 2008, 18:49) I... Aug 11 2008, 22:56
TBeck QUOTE (GeSomeone @ Aug 11 2008, 22:56) @T... Aug 14 2008, 12:44
TBeck QUOTE (TBeck @ Aug 14 2008, 12:44) I am s... Aug 14 2008, 18:54
GeSomeone QUOTE (TBeck @ Aug 14 2008, 19:54) But wh... Aug 15 2008, 13:19
TBeck QUOTE (GeSomeone @ Aug 15 2008, 13:19) QU... Aug 15 2008, 15:19
foorious Yes GeSomeone, no problem, my question was only ab... Aug 13 2008, 11:51
jcoalson sorry, been traveling a lot lately... it's har... Aug 13 2008, 21:51
foorious Hi josh, thanks for joining in.
I understand your... Aug 13 2008, 23:53
SebastianG I actually tested some LP coefficient quantization... Aug 14 2008, 09:24
foorious Are there any upcoming developments on this matter... Sep 17 2008, 22:58
jcoalson QUOTE (foorious @ Sep 17 2008, 16:58) Are... Sep 24 2008, 06:33
hidn i encode my cd. flac compression is close to anoth... Sep 24 2008, 05:58
foorious Thanks Josh. I just hope you'll keep an eye on... Sep 26 2008, 00:55
foorious Hi there, are there any news on this matter ? It... Mar 25 2009, 00:34
ktf I just noticed the last SVN Flake is on par with M... May 19 2009, 18:36![]() ![]() |
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