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Anyone else use 320 kbps mp3's?, n00b here.
320 kbps mp3's
Do You ever use 320 kbps mp3's?
Yes, rarely. [ 117 ] ** [23.12%]
Yes, often. [ 93 ] ** [18.38%]
No, never. [ 296 ] ** [58.50%]
Can you tell the difference between 256 kbps VBR or CBR mp3's and 320 kbps mp3's?
Yes. [ 48 ] ** [9.49%]
No. [ 434 ] ** [85.77%]
Only between 256 CBR and 320 CBR [ 24 ] ** [4.74%]
Total Votes: 643
  
JAKE196
post Jul 31 2008, 00:28
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Hi, I'm kinda new to compressed audio encoding. . .

My Mp3 player supports mp3, aac, wma, and wav files and after doing a lot of listening to the different lossy formats and bitrates I decided to use 320 mp3's because to my ears they sound almost as good as CD quality, minus the frequency cut off.

I'm just wondering if anyone else here uses 320 kbps mp3's at all?

I've looked at some other threads and a lot of people say that if you are going to use 320 kbps mp3's you might as well use a lossless codec, and I understand that. (however, I use them because my player doesn't support any compressed lossless format)

I've also seen a lot of statements that 320 kbps is a pointless bitrate and something like 256 vbr is the highest thats worth using no matter what. I really don't agree with this, there is definitely an audible difference between 256 CBR or 256 VBR files and 320 files, to my ears anyway. (do I have really good ear's? I'm wondering) I have to admit LAME mp3's can pick up a lot of detail at 256 and 192 kbps, but they still don't sound as good as 320 mp3's.

I usually use 320 kbps mp3's, with the exception of fairly simple songs or exceptionally long songs, for which I use 256 kbps.

Just wanted to express my opinion and see how many other people use them, peace. biggrin.gif

So answer the poll if it works. (this is my first post. . . )

I'll check back later.
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Rei Murasame
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QUOTE (digital_music @ Aug 9 2008, 00:14) *
I have discovered through experimentation since 2002/3 that a higher bitrate does improve the sound quality, using LAME (all versions) and outboard Hi-fi amp/headphones.
The actual audio is 'closer' to the original CD.
[...]

Being middle age, I cannot hear above 16khz myself and give an HF rolloff at 16k5Hz (it may affect cymbals and other transients)
[...]

So the settings I use are :- (LAME 3.97)
-B 320 -F --lowpass 18.8 --lowpass-width 3 -q 0 --athlower 12

Sorry for reviving this thread, but I just couldn't resist, in light of that muddled-looking commandline. Once upon a time I felt the need to start submitting to ABX tests to see if I could actually find any difference between lossless source and 320kbps LAME.

My hearing is pretty decent, and my listening as well, but over the years I've failed to pass an ABX with LAME 320kbps about 100% of the time (which is why I personally never encode at 320). I'm now 23yrs old. I'd be astonished if you were able to tell the difference between the files you're generating with that 'custom' commandline, versus just using just -b 230 by itself - and that's before we even get into asking if 320kbps is overkill or not.


An ABX I took last month:
CODE
foo_abx 1.3.4 report
foobar2000 v0.9.6.6
2009/06/12 08:57:43

File A: J:\[LonE]_Various_Artists_-_CODE_GEASS_Lelouch_of_the_Rebellion_O.S.T._[w_scans]_(FLAC)\[LonE]_Various_Artists_-_CODE_GEASS_Lelouch_of_the_Rebellion_O.S.T._[w_scans]_(FLAC)\02 Stories.flac
File B: J:\[Nipponsei]_Code_Geass_Hangyaku_no_Lelouch_Original_Soundtrack\02 - Stories.mp3

08:57:43 : Test started.
09:01:59 : 00/01 100.0%
09:02:39 : 00/02 100.0%
09:04:27 : 01/03 87.5%
09:06:57 : 01/04 93.8%
09:09:49 : 02/05 81.3%
09:11:55 : 02/06 89.1%
09:14:23 : 02/07 93.8%
09:15:04 : 03/08 85.5%
09:15:43 : 04/09 74.6%
09:16:27 : 05/10 62.3%
09:17:22 : 06/11 50.0%
09:18:18 : 06/12 61.3%
09:21:59 : 06/13 70.9%
09:22:19 : 07/14 60.5%
09:23:00 : 07/15 69.6%
09:23:31 : 08/16 59.8%
09:24:30 : 09/17 50.0%
13:37:01 : 09/18 59.3%
13:37:57 : 10/19 50.0%
13:39:59 : 11/20 41.2%
13:41:35 : 11/21 50.0%
13:42:36 : 11/22 58.4%
13:44:19 : 12/23 50.0%
13:45:34 : 12/24 58.1%
13:48:39 : 13/25 50.0%
13:51:42 : 14/26 42.3%
13:53:30 : 14/27 50.0%
13:54:19 : 15/28 42.5%
13:55:49 : 15/29 50.0%
13:57:43 : 16/30 42.8%
13:58:29 : 16/31 50.0%
13:59:18 : 16/32 57.0%
14:00:10 : 17/33 50.0%
14:00:50 : 17/34 56.8%
14:02:24 : 17/35 63.2%
14:05:34 : 17/36 69.1%
14:08:54 : 18/37 62.9%
14:09:57 : 19/38 56.4%
14:11:58 : 20/39 50.0%
14:13:09 : 21/40 43.7%
14:14:05 : 22/41 37.8%
14:15:17 : 22/42 43.9%
14:16:24 : 23/43 38.0%
14:17:20 : 23/44 44.0%
14:21:05 : 23/45 50.0%
14:23:18 : 24/46 44.1%
14:24:00 : 24/47 50.0%
14:26:05 : 25/48 44.3%
14:26:26 : 26/49 38.8%
14:26:49 : 26/50 44.4%
14:27:41 : 26/51 50.0%
14:29:36 : Test finished.

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Total: 26/51 (50.0%)

A 7 hour ABX test of FLAC versus LAME CBR320, which as you can see, I failed spectacularly. You claimed that a high bitrate like that is 'closer' to the original, but I think that it's actually transparent.

Can you show me any ABX test you've taken where you've actually detected a difference?

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QUOTE (Rei Murasame @ Jul 3 2009, 21:00) *
Can you show me any ABX test you've taken where you've actually detected a difference?


Here's a list of samples that i've successfully ABXed at 320kbps CBR:

PTP - Show Me Your Spine [sample] (dance club track from Robocop)
Welcome To Drexciya [sample]
Skinny Puppy - Human Disease [sample]
eig sample (no ABX log, but almost anyone can ABX this at 320)

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- JAKE196   Anyone else use 320 kbps mp3's?   Jul 31 2008, 00:28
- - Fandango   When your main playback device for the MP3s is a p...   Jul 31 2008, 00:45
- - incunabula   QUOTE (JAKE196 @ Jul 30 2008, 18:28) . . ...   Jul 31 2008, 00:47
- - greynol   Yes, lets see some blind test results, JAKE196.   Jul 31 2008, 00:51
- - Kitsuned   320 is a waste of space with no valuable gain in o...   Jul 31 2008, 01:31
- - JAKE196   Sorry, I should have read the rules, I didn't ...   Jul 31 2008, 01:55
|- - kornchild2002   QUOTE (JAKE196 @ Jul 30 2008, 18:55) Sorr...   Jul 31 2008, 03:35
|- - krabapple   QUOTE (JAKE196 @ Jul 30 2008, 20:55) Sorr...   Aug 1 2008, 22:21
- - IgorC   QUOTE (JAKE196 @ Jul 30 2008, 20:28) My M...   Jul 31 2008, 01:59
- - shadowking   I never use 320k mp3. I suppose some might use it ...   Jul 31 2008, 02:06
- - lesswire   Hi JAKE196 I'm also new to HA which by the wa...   Jul 31 2008, 03:42
- - greynol   He may as well cut to the chase and ABX -V0 and -b...   Jul 31 2008, 03:56
- - odious_m   Only used -b320 for harpsichord. But now I've...   Jul 31 2008, 05:47
- - zombiewerewolf   I've never use 320kbps personally, only use it...   Jul 31 2008, 06:02
- - twostar   I never have and won't ever encode 320kbps mp3...   Jul 31 2008, 07:05
- - smok3   QUOTE Is there any way we can set up a test on thi...   Jul 31 2008, 08:55
|- - j7n   QUOTE (smok3 @ Jul 31 2008, 10:55) it sho...   Jul 31 2008, 09:48
- - hlloyge   Well, I tend to listen music on the go, on portabl...   Jul 31 2008, 09:03
- - Synthetic Soul   QUOTE (JAKE196 @ Jul 31 2008, 01:55) Sorr...   Jul 31 2008, 09:27
- - zorba   Do You ever use 320 kbps mp3's? Yes, often. ...   Jul 31 2008, 09:48
- - smok3   point would be: a. to support lazy users which c...   Jul 31 2008, 10:09
- - 2Bdecided   "Can you tell the difference between 256 kbps...   Jul 31 2008, 10:46
|- - Slipstreem   QUOTE (2Bdecided @ Jul 31 2008, 10:46) ...   Jul 31 2008, 14:33
|- - JAKE196   "Good for you but that is not what this threa...   Jul 31 2008, 16:23
|- - kornchild2002   QUOTE (JAKE196 @ Jul 31 2008, 09:23) ...   Jul 31 2008, 16:51
- - smok3   QUOTE (Synthetic Soul @ Jul 31 2008, 10:2...   Jul 31 2008, 11:57
- - incunabula   Not to beat a dead horse, but you have nothing to ...   Jul 31 2008, 18:50
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|- - sld   QUOTE (JAKE196 @ Aug 1 2008, 04:21) but i...   Aug 1 2008, 21:16
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- - Bodhi   VBR V0 here!   Aug 1 2008, 20:43
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|- - Bodhi   QUOTE (Tahnru @ Aug 1 2008, 21:44) QUOTE ...   Aug 1 2008, 20:52
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