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Mac DAE Drive Features Database, Post features about Apples OEM Mac drives
macman4hire
post Sep 14 2008, 04:35
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This tread is being created to give the members of HA a place to post and find information about original equipment manufacture or OEM optical drives that have been installed on Mac computers. Please note when possible indicate if the drive has been rebadged (relabeled). For example NEC manufactures drive model xyz and sells a quantity to Sony. Sony then resells the same drive as a Sony drive model abc, same drive different brand name and model. Please use the first entry below as a template of what information to include. Note all information is not required to make a post about a drive please post any information you may have about any OEM drives installed on Macs.

After reading this thread please check the XLD Master Thread List for other important XLD threads.
  1. Make: Sony
  2. Model: DVD RW DW-D150A
  3. Type: DVD±R/RW
  4. Firmware: 1.MD
  5. Accurate Stream: Yes
  6. Caching: No
  7. C2 Errors: Yes
  8. HTOA: No
  9. Overread: None
  10. Sample Offset: +48
  11. Write Offset: +18
  12. Rebadged: same as NEC ND-4570A with different firmware firmware version 1.02
XLD drive cache analysis:
X Lossless Decoder version 20080919 (92.0)
XLD drive cache analysis logfile
Used drive : SONY DVD RW DW-D150A (revision 1.MD)
Your drive seems to have a cache of 3 sectors (6 Kbytes).
The cache size is small enough for cdparanoia III 10.2 engine. smile.gif

End of status report

Installed on a:
Mac Pro
Model Identifier: MacPro1,1
Processor Name: Dual-Core Intel Xeon
Processor Speed: 2.66 GHz
Number Of Processors: 2
Total Number Of Cores: 4
L2 Cache (per processor): 4 MB
Memory: 1 GB
Bus Speed: 1.33 GHz
Boot ROM Version: MP11.005C.B08
SMC Version: 1.7f10
Serial Number: YM632E75U

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vpa
post Sep 14 2008, 09:42
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Make: Pioneer
Modell: DVR-K04L
Type: DVD±R/RW
Version: D441
Protokoll: ATAPI
Read Offset: +48
Disable audio cache: YES

Computer:

Computername: iMac G5
Computermodell: PowerMac8,2
CPU-Typ: PowerPC G5 (3.1)
Number of CPUs: 1
CPU-Geschwindigkeit: 2 GHz
L2-Cache (per CPU): 512 KB
Busspeed: 667 MHz
Boot-ROM-Version: 5.2.5f1

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macman4hire
post Sep 19 2008, 19:37
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Pepzhez suggested to have people submit their cache analysis results obtained from XLD drive cache analysis feature. I agree with Pepzhez and think this is crucial piece of information to include in the database. Unfortunately only vpa has responded with any information to add to the database. Please submit your drives info this will be beneficial to all Mac users as a valuable resource.

Once again thank you,
macman4hire
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Pepzhez
post Sep 19 2008, 20:19
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Cache analysis results of two different Pioneer drives:

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X Lossless Decoder version 20080919 (92.0)

XLD drive cache analysis logfile

Used drive : PIONEER DVD-RW  DVR-K05 (revision Q523)

Your drive seems to have a cache of 141 sectors (323 Kbytes).
The cache size is small enough for cdparanoia III 10.2 engine. :)

End of status report


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X Lossless Decoder version 20080919 (92.0)

XLD drive cache analysis logfile

Used drive : PIONEER DVD-RW  DVR-108 (revision 1.17)

Your drive seems to have a cache of 139 sectors (319 Kbytes).
The cache size is small enough for cdparanoia III 10.2 engine. :)

End of status report
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post Sep 20 2008, 01:10
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Make: Matshita
Model: DVD-R UJ-85J
Type: DVD±R/RW
Firmware: FCQA
Accurate Stream: Yes
Caching: No
C2 Errors: Yes
Read Offset: +102

XLD drive cache analysis:

X Lossless Decoder version 20080919 (92.0)

XLD drive cache analysis logfile

Used drive : MATSHITA DVD-R UJ-85J (revision FCQA)

Your drive seems to have a cache of 8 sectors (18 Kbytes).
The cache size is small enough for cdparanoia III 10.2 engine. smile.gif

End of status report

Installed on:

Model Name: iMac
Model Identifier: iMac6,1
Processor Name: Intel Core 2 Duo
Processor Speed: 2.33 GHz
Number Of Processors: 1
Total Number Of Cores: 2
L2 Cache: 4 MB
Memory: 2 GB
Bus Speed: 667 MHz
Boot ROM Version: IM61.0093.B07
SMC Version: 1.10f3

From an external Samsung drive:

X Lossless Decoder version 20080919 (92.0)

XLD drive cache analysis logfile

Used drive : TSSTcorp CD/DVDW SH-S182M (revision SB04)

Your drive seems to have a cache of 0 sectors (0 Kbytes).
The cache size is small enough for cdparanoia III 10.2 engine. smile.gif

End of status report
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Pepzhez
post Sep 24 2008, 19:35
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Branched off from the XLD Feature Request Thread. (This topic is more appropriate here.):

QUOTE (mookr @ Sep 24 2008, 08:33) *
QUOTE (Pepzhez @ Sep 24 2008, 07:32) *

A shame that there's no way to actually test C2 compatibility with XLD (or with anything else on OS X).


Pepzhez - I'm not sure on compatibility of C2, but I have been able to report ability of C2 or otherwise using the drutil command. There's a lot of config info it will spit out for your drive that you can trawl through. A specific one to get C2 capabilities is the following.

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drutil getconfig supported | grep -i c2


The result of this command for my drive (Mashita UJ-85J) is the following.

Logical unit will return C2 error data



http://www.hydrogenaudio.org/forums/index....st&p=589875

Thanks for this command, mookr! Veru useful. Here are the results from my two Pioneer drives. (DVR-K05 and DVR-108: OEM and external, respectively.):

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drutil getconfig supported | grep -i c2
    Logical unit will return C2 error data
  00000000  44 4B 44 43 32 30 37 33  37 32 57 4C 20 20 20 20  |DKDC207372WL    |
    Logical unit will return C2 error data
    Serial Number: DKDC207372WL


So, despite what the DAE Database and CD Freaks report, both of these drives *do* return C2 error data. How well they do it is of course another question entirely.

With both drives, the C2 ripping mode works in XLD. Now, would a drive that doesn't return C2 error data work at all in XLD's C2 mode? Would you be able to obtain confimed AR rips via C2 on such a drive?

I'm just trying to comprehend how this all works.
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bhoar
post Sep 25 2008, 05:23
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QUOTE (Pepzhez @ Sep 24 2008, 14:35) *
Branched off from the XLD Feature Request Thread. (This topic is more appropriate here.):
...
Thanks for this command, mookr! Veru useful. Here are the results from my two Pioneer drives. (DVR-K05 and DVR-108: OEM and external, respectively.):

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    Logical unit will return C2 error data


So, despite what the DAE Database and CD Freaks report, both of these drives *do* return C2 error data. How well they do it is of course another question entirely.


Ah, sorry I didn't realized we'd branched off before posting on the other thread, my response to the C2 supported notice is here: http://www.hydrogenaudio.org/forums/index....st&p=589970

I'm glad you said the last sentence. How well your drive supports C2 is important to research, and at this point, it's worth performing some testing with whatever drives you have available.

e.g. see spoon's page on his tests using dbpoweramp with several drives (three of the four claimed C2 support) here: http://www.dbpoweramp.com/secure-ripper.htm

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post Feb 18 2009, 18:22
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X Lossless Decoder version 20090217 (101.1)

XLD drive cache analysis logfile

Used drive : MATSHITA DVD-R UJ-857 (revision HBEA)

Your drive seems to have a cache of 8 sectors (18 Kbytes).
The cache size is small enough for cdparanoia III 10.2 engine. smile.gif

End of status report

Also:

Acccording to the database in XLD:

offset = 102.

This drive is installed on:

Hardware Overview:

Model Name: MacBook
Model Identifier: MacBook1,1
Processor Name: Intel Core Duo
Processor Speed: 2 GHz
Number Of Processors: 1
Total Number Of Cores: 2
L2 Cache: 2 MB
Memory: 1 GB
Bus Speed: 667 MHz
Boot ROM Version: MB11.0061.B03
SMC Version: 1.4f12
Serial Number: xxxxxxxxxxx
Sudden Motion Sensor:
State: Enabled

This is a first-generation MacBook which has had its drive replaced by Apple, not sure if the original drive was the same unit.
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Cantello
post Oct 4 2011, 08:19
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  • Make: Hitachi-LG
  • Model: HL-DT-ST DVDRW GA32N
  • Type: DVD±R/RW
  • Firmware: KE06
  • Accurate Stream: No idea
  • Caching: No
  • C2 Errors: No (!)
  • HTOA: No idea how to test
  • Overread: None
  • Sample Offset: +103
  • Write Offset: Not tested


XLD drive cache analysis:
X Lossless Decoder version 20110924 (136.3)
XLD drive cache analysis logfile
Used drive : HL-DT-ST DVDRW GA32N (revision KE06)
Your drive seems to have a cache of 0 sectors (0 Kbytes).
The cache size is small enough for cdparanoia III 10.2 engine. smile.gif
End of status report


Installed on a:
Model Name: iMac
Model Identifier: iMac12,2
Processor Name: Intel Core i5
Processor Speed: 3,1 GHz
Number of Processors: 1
Total Number of Cores: 4
L2 Cache (per Core): 256 KB
L3 Cache: 6 MB
Memory: 12 GB
Boot ROM Version: IM121.0047.B0A
SMC Version (system): 1.72f2

Drive Info:
HL-DT-ST DVDRW GA32N:
Firmware Revision: KE06
Interconnect: ATAPI
Burn Support: Yes (Apple Shipping Drive)
Cache: 1024 KB
Reads DVD: Yes
CD-Write: -R, -RW
DVD-Write: -R, -R DL, -RW, +R, +R DL, +RW
Write Strategies: CD-TAO, CD-SAO, CD-Raw, DVD-DAO
Media:
Type: CD-ROM
Blank: No
Erasable: No
Overwritable: No
Appendable: No

Summary
Generally, the drive extracts rather slowly (max 5.0x) and has severe problems when pre-gap detection is turned on; the drive locks up and can only be revived by a complete restart. Whenever C2 is turned on in XLD's preferences, ripping stops after a few percent on the first song. When "don't detect pregap" is turned on, it works okay without the C2 pointers. I can use "Include pre-gap except for HTOA" on the main window, if I use "include pre-gap for all songs" the lock-ups mentioned above happens.

In short: a very sub-par drive with regards to extracting audio. :-/
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