Vorbis Streamer (foo_vorbisstream) Options

[Canar]

Yeah, but look at the post date... Grab the one in the first post of this thread, that'll always be most current.

[--pv--]

--pv--, if what you desired was to send a single transcode to multiple servers, the smartest way to do that could be to run a local Icecast server that relays to others. Your request would involve too much additional complexity.

Yes this is what I was tallking about. If you think running local copy of icecast can do this better than your plugin then I'll do it this way. Thanks for the reply.

[odyssey]

Is it possible to reduce the latency on the stream (time from i.e. changing tracks until effective)? I suppose this is mostly due to the buffer set on client - or...?

Edit: I changed Networking Buffer size to 16KB and reduced my Output Playback Buffer Lendth to 1000 ms and still getting a 9 sec delay.

This post has been edited by odyssey: Apr 23 2009, 09:34

[Canar]

Is it possible to reduce the latency on the stream (time from i.e. changing tracks until effective)? I suppose this is mostly due to the buffer set on client - or...?

Edit: I changed Networking Buffer size to 16KB and reduced my Output Playback Buffer Lendth to 1000 ms and still getting a 9 sec delay.

You're running into Icecast buffering here. foo_vorbisstream sends the packets as soon as they're done. There's no internal buffer.

[Zarggg]

Love it! Works perfectly, so far. Now if only there was a way to get something similar made as a Winamp DSP plugin.

(I currently run my radio through XMPlay, which supports Winamp DSP plugins, and leaves Foobar free for my "normal" listening, but that means my only solution is edcast -- which means no Unicode characters! That's actually a killer bug for me. I'm very anal about tagging, and want the tags to come through to my listeners' clients properly. "???? - ???? ??? ???" is not an acceptable solution.)

This post has been edited by Zarggg: Apr 26 2009, 20:01

[Canar]

Love it! Works perfectly, so far. Now if only there was a way to get something similar made as a Winamp DSP plugin.

Look somewhere else. I have as much interest in supporting Winamp as I do supporting Windows '95. Winamp is the past.

[Zarggg]

Yes, I'm aware of that. I'm just frustrated that all my solutions seem to be one step away from including everything I want.

[Canar]

Yes, I'm aware of that. I'm just frustrated that all my solutions seem to be one step away from including everything I want.

Why not just use foobar2000? Is there some Winamp DSP that you can't find an equivalent for here?

[Zarggg]

I do use foobar2000 -- for my own personal listening. My issue is that for running the radio station I'm hosting, I use a player known as XMPlay -- a lightweight player that can be enhanced using plugins (and was my personal choice before I started using fb2k regularly). It has no native way of connecting to Icecast/Shoutcast/whatever, but it is able to utilize DSPs for that purpose. The author of the software has coded the ability to use both input and DSP (through a wrapper) plugins designed for Winamp. XMPlay does have certain features that foobar does not -- namely an internal library that allows me to override file tags and set tags for files that normally would not allow "standard" tagging, such as MIDI or other tracker formats (IT, XM, etc).

I'm sure I could use fb2k if there was such a plugin allowing that, but my personal preference is to use XMPlay for playing the radio and leaving fb2k for my own personal listening. XMPlay is also a "no installation" software, which means I can just place a copy of it in a separate folder with the appropriate plugins and use that for the radio.

I don't use Winamp itself at all. So, at present, my choices are to use XMPlay with edcast Windows DSP, which means no unicode, or to use foobar2000 with vorbisstream, which means no customizable library.

This post has been edited by Zarggg: Apr 26 2009, 20:41

[Canar]

Why are you unable to change the tags of files?

If you are sincerely concerned about MIDI quality, why are you not rendering to PCM using some high-quality instrument? Then you could simply play the lossless PCM and can also change the tags. foo_midi does this wonderfully.

foobar2000 can be installed "portably", which is to say that one folder contains all relevant information. You have to run the installer to make it do that, but there's no registry entries created or anything that way.

Your solution using XMPlay seems to work okay for you. You enjoy that. However, if you wish to use foobar2000, you are the only person that keeps you from doing so. Everything you want to do is possible, though some require different approaches than you're using.

[Zarggg]

foobar2000 can be installed "portably", which is to say that one folder contains all relevant information. You have to run the installer to make it do that, but there's no registry entries created or anything that way.

That option hadn't occurred to me before. (I don't know why; I see the option every time I update and I've already done so for my portable drive.)

I know I'm the only person standing in the way of switching. Like I said, your component works great. I just need to look at things from a different angle. I have a nasty habit of sticking with what I'm "used to".

[Canar]

I know I'm the only person standing in the way of switching. Like I said, your component works great. I just need to look at things from a different angle. I have a nasty habit of sticking with what I'm "used to".

Nothing wrong with that. It would take something truly phenomenal to break foobar2000's hold over me at the moment. I'm used to it and not eager to change to something I don't know. Thanks for your praise regarding my component as well. My aim was to make something that "just works" and edcast didn't quite do that for me.

[Alex B]

Thanks Canar! Vorbis Streamer is a nice plugin and it works as promised.

The only thing I miss is Ogg-FLAC encoding. Since the "edcast > icecast > foobar" chain started to work correctly with the Ogg-FLAC format I have used it on a private LAN to avoid lossy transcoding. It makes possible to stream unaltered audio quality from all source file formats when bandwidth is not limited.

Would it be difficult to add it?

This post has been edited by Alex B: Apr 27 2009, 16:15

[Canar]

When I was in development, I could not make Ogg FLAC work reliably at all, even after talking with the edcast developers. That was one of the reasons I cut the focus of this component back to Vorbis. At some point I'll hack multi-format support back in, but that's a bit in the future at this point.

[Alex B]

I started experimenting with Ogg-FLAC in late 2007. At first I had a strange CPU usage problem with the Icecast server, but I got help from the Icecast developer: http://icecast.imux.net/viewtopic.php?t=3986 (seems like my account has vanished from that forum for some reason). The solution was to install a development build. I have used that server build until now.

Just before posting the above reply I installed the latest official Edcast (for foobar) and Icecast2 Windows builds on an XP PC (that OS had no previous builds installed) and Ogg-FLAC worked fine without any tweaking.

This post has been edited by Alex B: Apr 27 2009, 19:52

[Canar]

Well, I'll see what I can do when I start expanding the format support again. MP3 support will be nice to have back as well.

[Alex B]

I agree with MP3. Some users would probably like to use MP3 for compatibility reasons even though Vorbis would provide better audio quality (especially if the stream is encoded from lossy source files and needs to have a low bitrate).

[Canar]

The point of the exercise is to extend the edcast libraries to simplify addition of new formats. Once it's done, adding new formats should be a piece of cake, given Icecast support.

[Canar]

Version 1.0 has been released! Thank you to the person who submitted the only crash report since the release of the beta. Enjoy your aoTuV 5.7, guys.

[Natsuki]

Is it possible to use filename as TITLE if no TITLE tag is present?

[Canar]

Is it possible to use filename as TITLE if no TITLE tag is present?

What usage case do you have where fixing your tags isn't preferable?

[Natsuki]

I just rarely bother with it, because I set everywhere to show filenames in case of tags absence (No. If I remember correctly, foobar does it itself). Regarding the question, tags are needed when tracks are properly organized and grouped into albums. If it is a bunch of random files from unknown sources (archives of chiptune.com or 2a03.org, resources extracted from games, etc), fixing tags in each file is nonsense.
Also, why not just add titleformatting?

This post has been edited by Natsuki: May 8 2009, 06:53

[Canar]

Also, why not just add titleformatting?

Massive increase in complexity and I suck at Win32 UI stuff. Right now the component simply grabs all of the fields that are present and copies them over into the Vorbis comment that is sent in the stream. This has the positive side-effect of transferring all present metadata but has the negative side-effect of breaking a lot of the title formatting tricks that are taken for granted.

I'll keep this request in mind when I revise the component next. I don't plan to roll a new build just for this feature.

This post has been edited by Canar: May 8 2009, 06:48

[Canar]

Someone's out there, crashing hard and often for a single reason. I can't reproduce it and this release doesn't have debug information included, so I can't really do anything at the moment. If this crasher is you, any information you can give would be nice.

[Tomacco_Boy]

Someone's out there, crashing hard and often for a single reason. I can't reproduce it and this release doesn't have debug information included, so I can't really do anything at the moment. If this crasher is you, any information you can give would be nice.

I could be this person, as foobar has been crashing cause of vorbisstreamer. I dont know what could be the cause as i dont really do anything strange at the time of the crash, so i'll just link my components and hope you'd know of any conflicts with what im running.

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