Public MP3 Listening Test @ 128 kbps - FINISHED |
Public MP3 Listening Test @ 128 kbps - FINISHED |
Nov 24 2008, 22:30
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The much awaited results of the Public, MP3 Listening Test @ 128 kbps are ready - partially. So far, I only uploaded an overall plot along with a zoomed version. The details will be available in the next few days. You can also download the encryption key along with the submitted results on the results page that is located here: http://www.listening-tests.info/mp3-128-1/results.htm
The results show that all encoders are tied on first place, except l3enc which of course comes out last being the low anchor. What is interesting to see is how the MP3 codec actually evolved since its first days (l3enc was the first MP3 software encoder back in 1994 when it was released) and how it is still competitive with newer formats like AAC or Ogg Vorbis. Another very interesting thing, which was also one of the goals for this test, is that Fraunhofer and especially Helix, which both outperform LAME in terms of encoding speed, are still very competitive. While statistically being tied to LAME on first place, Helix actually even received a higher rating than LAME 3.98.2 - and this at 90x encoding speed! Even FhG received a slightly higher score at least against LAME 3.97 which was the recommended encoder by the Hydrogenaudio community for a long time. But again, statistically, they are all tied so there is no quality winner. ![]() The quality at 128 kbps is very good and MP3 encoders improved a lot since the last test. This was the last test conducted by me at this bitrate. It's time to move to bitrates like 96 kbps or 80 kbps. Here is a zoomed version of the plot showing the competitors only and leaving out the low anchor l3enc. ![]() Finally, I would like to thank everyone who participated! EDIT: Whoops, the link to the results was pointing to the 64 kbps multiformat test by mistake. Corrected now. This post has been edited by Sebastian Mares: Nov 24 2008, 22:46 -------------------- http://listening-tests.hydrogenaudio.org/sebastian/
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Nov 25 2008, 23:16
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![]() Group: Members Posts: 143 Joined: 22-April 03 From: Kristiansand Member No.: 6114 |
Without adding fuel to the fire, I think its strange reading some of the comments to this test. As the forum is so hellbent on factual tests and ABX'ing, and when the result in a way contradicts the paradigm of the forum, a lot of people start questioning it. Its almost as if though there is a preference of encoder, and its ... not... Helix... Its as if ... some people really like defending LAME. Wow, I would have never thought. No, honestly though, thanks for the test Sebastian.
Lets look at the facts of the test; the proof is in the pudding. Does it mean that Helix is >= LAME at 128kbps? Yes, apparently it is. If the forum people really want people to use cold hard facts when making a claim; well here it is. Now get over it. Seriously. If we want to yell "ABX and ABC" at people making encoder claims, we really need to be content with the results we're given. Sometimes LAME doesn't yield a superior result, and sometimes it does. Does that mean we have all have to switch to Helix ? Absolutely not. But lets not turn the replies into some frantic strange twisted sales pitch for LAME (free as it is), as it seems that some people want it to be. Anyway, it certainly was a baffling result. |
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Sebastian Mares Public MP3 Listening Test @ 128 kbps - FINISHED Nov 24 2008, 22:30
/mnt Wow am really shocked, Helix (Xing) has performed ... Nov 24 2008, 22:52
Sebastian Mares I kept telling you guys that the results will be q... Nov 24 2008, 22:56
Neasden Does that make Helix the new recommended MP3 encod... Nov 24 2008, 23:00
/mnt QUOTE (Neasden @ Nov 24 2008, 23:00) Does... Nov 24 2008, 23:05
Neasden Yes it is, I just noticed it!
I can't bel... Nov 24 2008, 23:14
greynol I don't think open source has anything to do w... Nov 24 2008, 23:14
Sebastian Mares If you submitted results, I recommend you look at ... Nov 24 2008, 23:14
halb27 I am curious about the detailed results as my inte... Nov 24 2008, 23:22
Neasden They are all techincally tied, but Helix outperfor... Nov 24 2008, 23:25
halb27 QUOTE (Neasden @ Nov 25 2008, 00:25) ... ... Nov 25 2008, 00:43
Pio2001 Excuse me, but what is the correspondance between ... Nov 25 2008, 00:48
lvqcl QUOTE (Pio2001 @ Nov 25 2008, 02:48) Excu... Nov 25 2008, 01:16
Canar Thank you very much Sebastian. We have some things... Nov 24 2008, 23:51
DigitalDictator This is indeed surprising. I'm sure I've s... Nov 24 2008, 23:56
halb27 QUOTE (DigitalDictator @ Nov 25 2008, 00... Nov 25 2008, 00:11

Pio2001 AAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRGGGGHGHHHHHH !!
They... Nov 25 2008, 00:34
melomaniac I analyzed my results and the ranking of the encod... Nov 25 2008, 09:19
Pio2001 QUOTE (melomaniac @ Nov 25 2008, 09:19) A... Nov 25 2008, 14:04
ZinCh This is only 128k tests, so Helix in the winner in... Nov 24 2008, 23:59
Neasden I encoded a few tracks using -V150 (VBR range 0-15... Nov 25 2008, 00:07
greynol >Helix can be recomended for 128k encoding.
Ho... Nov 25 2008, 00:10
kwanbis Wow (even if the difference between LAME 3.98.2 an... Nov 25 2008, 00:42
krabapple Sorry, it's not clear to me how many subjects ... Nov 25 2008, 01:02
Pio2001 Thanks, I analyzed my own results. That's what... Nov 25 2008, 01:37
Raiden QUOTE (Pio2001 @ Nov 25 2008, 01:34) Oh, ... Nov 25 2008, 02:12
Canar QUOTE (Raiden @ Nov 24 2008, 17:12) agree... Nov 25 2008, 02:32
sld Regarding statistics... the confidence intervals w... Nov 25 2008, 04:51
Sebastian Mares QUOTE (sld @ Nov 25 2008, 04:51) Regardin... Nov 25 2008, 09:02
Squeller Is this claim correct? There has been no improveme... Nov 25 2008, 08:46
halb27 Zoomed view is formally correct, but has a tendenc... Nov 25 2008, 09:19
Squeller QUOTE (halb27 @ Nov 25 2008, 10:19) Zoome... Nov 25 2008, 09:28
halb27 QUOTE (Squeller @ Nov 25 2008, 10:28) Bas... Nov 25 2008, 09:44
melomaniac QUOTE (Squeller @ Nov 25 2008, 09:28) Abo... Nov 25 2008, 09:46
sld QUOTE (Squeller @ Nov 25 2008, 16:28) Bas... Nov 25 2008, 20:05
memomai Just confused. Helix worse than lame, Helix better... Nov 25 2008, 10:08
halb27 QUOTE (memomai @ Nov 25 2008, 11:08) Just... Nov 25 2008, 10:30
Alexxander QUOTE (halb27 @ Nov 25 2008, 10:30) ...
W... Nov 25 2008, 10:55
halb27 QUOTE (Alexxander @ Nov 25 2008, 11:55) .... Nov 25 2008, 13:04
Alexxander Before anything I have to thank Sebastian again fo... Nov 25 2008, 10:44
muaddib It is not good to conclude, from the results of th... Nov 25 2008, 11:15
Alexxander QUOTE (muaddib @ Nov 25 2008, 11:15) It i... Nov 25 2008, 12:37
Jan S. Wouldn't it be possible to compare the varianc... Nov 25 2008, 12:33
Sebastian Mares QUOTE (Jan S. @ Nov 25 2008, 12:33) Would... Nov 25 2008, 12:44
robert I would be more interested in Quartile, instead of... Nov 25 2008, 13:01
kwanbis QUOTE (robert @ Nov 25 2008, 12:01) I wou... Nov 25 2008, 13:06
Sebastian Mares QUOTE (robert @ Nov 25 2008, 13:01) I wou... Nov 25 2008, 14:47
westgroveg If anything the test shows samples where LAME need... Nov 25 2008, 13:55
Alex B QUOTE (westgroveg @ Nov 25 2008, 14:55) I... Nov 25 2008, 14:51
uart QUOTE (Alex B @ Nov 25 2008, 05:51) In ge... Nov 25 2008, 16:30
/mnt Just try some Metal tracks on Helix at V60, I guar... Nov 25 2008, 15:19
Neasden /mnt told me that Helix is not gapless, which is t... Nov 25 2008, 16:07
Synthetic Soul QUOTE (Neasden @ Nov 25 2008, 15:07) /mnt... Nov 25 2008, 17:21
Alexxander QUOTE (Synthetic Soul @ Nov 25 2008, 17:2... Nov 25 2008, 18:27
DigitalDictator Why would Helix struggle with metal? IIRC it also ... Nov 25 2008, 16:15
/mnt QUOTE (DigitalDictator @ Nov 25 2008, 16... Nov 25 2008, 16:38
Sebastian Mares Well, one thing you have to consider is that Helix... Nov 25 2008, 16:32
IgorC I can confirm statements of /mnt . Helix isn't... Nov 25 2008, 17:23
ff123 QUOTE (IgorC @ Nov 25 2008, 08:23) I can ... Nov 25 2008, 17:26
Alex B QUOTE (Sebastian Mares @ Nov 25 2008, 17... Nov 25 2008, 17:34
guruboolez The 2 or 3 first seconds were already ignored in t... Nov 25 2008, 18:04
TechVsLife @sebastian mares: thanks for the test!
@gurub... Nov 25 2008, 21:44
Sebastian Mares QUOTE (ff123 @ Nov 25 2008, 17:26) QUOTE ... Nov 25 2008, 18:08
Alex B QUOTE (Sebastian Mares @ Nov 25 2008, 19... Nov 25 2008, 18:50
Jillian I like the part where test result (quality and enc... Nov 25 2008, 19:13
halb27 QUOTE (Jillian @ Nov 25 2008, 20:13) I li... Nov 25 2008, 21:13
Canar QUOTE (Neasden @ Nov 25 2008, 07:07) /mnt... Nov 25 2008, 19:34
Alex B QUOTE (Synthetic Soul @ Nov 25 2008, 18:2... Nov 25 2008, 19:36
Canar Gapless encoding using Helix is possible by encodi... Nov 25 2008, 19:51
Neasden Do you mean having to "split" manually t... Nov 25 2008, 20:06
Alex B QUOTE (Neasden @ Nov 25 2008, 21:06) Do y... Nov 25 2008, 20:33
guruboolez QUOTE (Alex B @ Nov 25 2008, 21:33) Perso... Nov 25 2008, 21:00
Synthetic Soul QUOTE (guruboolez @ Nov 25 2008, 20:00) T... Nov 25 2008, 21:07
Sebastian Mares Created 7 / 14 sample graphs...
BTW, Tukey's ... Nov 25 2008, 20:10
kwanbis Sebastian, where it says, "The results are gr... Nov 25 2008, 20:18
Bodhi Great Job once again. Thank you Sebastian! Nov 25 2008, 20:44
Neasden QUOTE As Canar said, it's a hack.
That alone ... Nov 25 2008, 20:58
Neasden unless someone patches Helix and release it with t... Nov 25 2008, 21:05
Sebastian Mares In case you are interested, here is a quick and di... Nov 25 2008, 21:10
halb27 QUOTE (Sebastian Mares @ Nov 25 2008, 22... Nov 25 2008, 21:26
benski QUOTE (Sebastian Mares @ Nov 25 2008, 15... Nov 25 2008, 21:50
Canar The point I was trying to make was that though Hel... Nov 25 2008, 21:14
Neasden in this graph, LAME 3.98.2 seems the more stable e... Nov 25 2008, 21:42
Alex B QUOTE (Neasden @ Nov 25 2008, 22:42) in t... Nov 25 2008, 22:06
Sebastian Mares The graphs for all samples are available on the re... Nov 25 2008, 22:18
halb27 QUOTE (Sebastian Mares @ Nov 25 2008, 23... Nov 25 2008, 22:25
singaiya Is anybody else not surprised that each contender ... Nov 25 2008, 22:21
Sunhillow Thank you for this great checkup, Sebastian! I... Nov 25 2008, 22:35
Zilog Jones I, as many others was also very surprised by the r... Nov 25 2008, 22:53
Sebastian Mares QUOTE (Zilog Jones @ Nov 25 2008, 22:53) ... Nov 25 2008, 23:24
sld QUOTE (sizetwo @ Nov 26 2008, 06:16) Does... Nov 26 2008, 05:14
singaiya QUOTE (sld @ Nov 25 2008, 20:14) You shou... Nov 26 2008, 05:46
DigitalDictator I've been asking this a couple of times, but I... Nov 25 2008, 23:30
sizetwo QUOTE Statistically, for the people who tested and... Nov 25 2008, 23:34
guruboolez QUOTE (sizetwo @ Nov 26 2008, 00:34) Sorr... Nov 25 2008, 23:52
kwanbis QUOTE (guruboolez @ Nov 25 2008, 22:52) N... Nov 26 2008, 00:36
/mnt I have posted some ABX logs and samples of tracks ... Nov 26 2008, 00:49
JasonQ Good test. Good to see that Helix had a solid sho... Nov 26 2008, 06:18
sizetwo QUOTE (guruboolez @ Nov 25 2008, 15:52) Q... Nov 26 2008, 07:18![]() ![]() |
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