Pleasurize Music Foundation, The most credible dynamic range advocacy group so far? |
Pleasurize Music Foundation, The most credible dynamic range advocacy group so far? |
Jan 27 2009, 00:23
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![]() Group: Members (Donating) Posts: 1983 Joined: 4-January 04 From: Austin, TX Member No.: 10933 |
http://www.dynamicrange.de/
This looks pretty good. They have lots of industry contacts, Algorithmix is involved with a professional-looking dynamic range meter (it appears to be a variant of Chromatix's technique, actually), which is already released. They aren't focusing on visual waveform plots (yay) and are instead focusing on industry interaction. |
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Mar 11 2009, 02:48
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![]() Group: Developer Posts: 224 Joined: 14-September 04 Member No.: 17002 |
Version 1.2 is up. The offline tool is still the same, though. And they have not fixed the English manual. They should release the source for the algorithm.
It also overestimates the loudness of low frequency content, which is a good move for being hard on modern hypercompressed masterings, but is harder to defend on psychoacoustic grounds. Isn't the exact opposite the case? The current algorithm will assign a lower DR value to a recording with more bass. This is bad behaviour as bass is the first thing that suffers from hypercompression. An example: SND's first album (RG of -0.59 dB and very dynamic) is just a DR7! |
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Mar 11 2009, 03:24
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![]() Group: Members (Donating) Posts: 1983 Joined: 4-January 04 From: Austin, TX Member No.: 10933 |
Version 1.2 is up. The offline tool is still the same, though. And they have not fixed the English manual. They should release the source for the algorithm. It also overestimates the loudness of low frequency content, which is a good move for being hard on modern hypercompressed masterings, but is harder to defend on psychoacoustic grounds. Isn't the exact opposite the case? The current algorithm will assign a lower DR value to a recording with more bass. This is bad behaviour as bass is the first thing that suffers from hypercompression. An example: SND's first album (RG of -0.59 dB and very dynamic) is just a DR7! Right, that's exactly what I'm saying - but on top of that, that is not accurate. The reason bass suffers after aggressive mastering techniques is because it is simply not as audible as other frequencies. The overall loudness of the track simply does not change all that much from simple removal of bass. As an eq choice it tends to coincide with hypercompression, but the lack of a direct correlation between the two means that this bass overemphasis slightly distorts the meaning of DR comparisons across different mastering styles and music genres. For instance, this means that compression differences in classical music (with very little bass) might make a less substantial DR change than with rock music; even if a classical piece is hypercompressed, the lack of effect on the bass signal means that the same amount of compression does not go as far with manipulating the DR figure. |
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Axon Pleasurize Music Foundation Jan 27 2009, 00:23
vitos It's relieving to find another group aiming to... Jan 27 2009, 18:11
Ron Jones Their dynamic range meter seems interesting enough... Jan 27 2009, 19:47
Canar The neologism "Pleasurize" sounds distin... Jan 27 2009, 21:34
smiler QUOTE (Canar @ Jan 27 2009, 21:34) The ne... Jan 27 2009, 23:11
kjoonlee QUOTE (smiler @ Jan 28 2009, 07:11) QUOTE... Jan 28 2009, 00:17
Canar QUOTE (kjoonlee @ Jan 27 2009, 15:17) Hea... Jan 28 2009, 00:50
Raiden From the web site:
QUOTE 20 February 2009: Release... Feb 20 2009, 22:52
gnypp45 QUOTE (Raiden @ Feb 20 2009, 22:52) From ... Feb 21 2009, 03:37
Arnold B. Krueger QUOTE (Raiden @ Feb 20 2009, 16:52) From ... Feb 23 2009, 01:44
Trippynet Good to see some progress. I take it people here h... Feb 21 2009, 16:19
Raiden Download of the TT Dynamic Range Meter is now avai... Feb 22 2009, 22:20
Axon RMS measurements are typically done with a 50ms wi... Feb 22 2009, 23:51
Raiden Thanks for your response.
I guess the "RMS... Feb 23 2009, 00:08
Axon Where did you see the info referencing "3 sec... Feb 23 2009, 00:19
carpman This may be a dumb question, but is the dynamic ra... Feb 23 2009, 00:29
Raiden QUOTE (Axon @ Feb 23 2009, 00:19) Where d... Feb 23 2009, 00:43
Axon QUOTE (Raiden @ Feb 22 2009, 17:43) It... Feb 23 2009, 01:07
Axon What's the peak info on The Classical? And the... Feb 23 2009, 00:46
carpman Funny you just write that Axon, that's just wh... Feb 23 2009, 00:48
Axon QUOTE (carpman @ Feb 22 2009, 17:48) Funn... Feb 23 2009, 01:12
carpman I think I've figured out what the issue was:
... Feb 23 2009, 01:51
Raiden OK, I think I understood how the algorithm works:
... Feb 23 2009, 02:19
Chromatix QUOTE (Raiden @ Feb 23 2009, 04:19) OK, I... Feb 23 2009, 03:19
Axon QUOTE (Chromatix @ Feb 22 2009, 20:19) If... Feb 23 2009, 05:58
Raiden The English manual is up now.
It seems to me that ... Feb 25 2009, 00:13
Chromatix I'm not sure I completely trust either manual.... Feb 25 2009, 00:47
Chromatix Continuing:
I've run their offline tool again... Feb 25 2009, 01:23
Raiden They use plain vanilla RMS (no BS.1770) on 3-secon... Feb 25 2009, 01:48
Axon That's bad news, then.
This should be testabl... Feb 25 2009, 09:54
outscape Good effort but I doubt it will gain any traction.... Mar 11 2009, 03:13
Zilog Jones Just noticed yesterday that 1.3 is out. The offlin... Mar 19 2009, 20:01
Antonski Unfortunately, it is no more free available for do... Aug 2 2009, 22:13
Axon Given the above commentary on TT's algorithm, ... Aug 2 2009, 22:27
carpman They've really shot themselves in the foot by ... Aug 2 2009, 23:03
Antonski QUOTE (Axon @ Aug 3 2009, 00:27) Given th... Aug 2 2009, 23:19
Grunpfnul They way of acting was since my first contact (abo... Aug 2 2009, 23:26
Axon QUOTE (carpman @ Aug 2 2009, 17:03) They... Aug 2 2009, 23:51
carpman Axon, regarding the meters. I understand that ther... Aug 3 2009, 00:16
Grunpfnul QUOTE (Axon)I can't really blame them for this... Aug 3 2009, 01:17
Axon Any sort of fuzzy logic revolving around a committ... Aug 3 2009, 01:20
carpman Thanks Axon. No, that makes sense. I think I may h... Aug 3 2009, 01:23
unfinished.hide I'm sorry to bump this old topic after 4 years... Yesterday, 23:10![]() ![]() |
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