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mp3 to wav to mp3 to wav same? |
Feb 27 2003, 14:42
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If a file is encoded to mp3, then coverted back to a wav, and then that wav is convered back to mp3, will the both mp3s be the same?
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Feb 28 2003, 04:29
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I think we can all agree that there is some loss when encoding from Wave to MP3 but it's not all bad, take for instance the ongoing debate about CD and the good old plastic disc, Some people won't listen to anything else but LP'S saying Compact disc lacks the emotion of a good LP based system and cd's are to clinical, having listened to both i think there is a very good point to the argument, for the same reason MP3's could even sound better than the origin CD...The following review although for the Airhead headphone amp is very intresting....
"MP3s. Sure, my computer’s hard drive is loaded with time-shifted copies of music that I have previously purchased (ahem), but I never regarded them as anything approaching hi-fi, especially when listening via my Rio player or my laptop’s speakers. I mentioned something to that effect to Tyl Hertzens of HeadRoom, and he replied that I shouldn’t jump to such hasty conclusions. He told me that MP3 decoding is a completely different process than WAV (CD-ROM) or Redbook (CD music) decoding, which results in a more "organic" sound. He went on to say that MP3s with sampling rates in the 300+ kbps range can sound better than CD. Tyl is onto something. I am not about to say that MP3s played back through a hi-fi rig compares with CD, but I agree that MP3’s strengths and weaknesses mesh well with headphone playback. For example, with the high resolution capabilities of the TAH and Sennheiser or Grado, I heard further into many recordings than I could with my home rig. I perceived the decay of plucked notes on an acoustic guitar and the startling snap of snare drum shots, and could even distinguish among the drums used. And there was no harshness whatsoever. (I typically listen at a sampling rate of 128 kbps, which is a pretty good comprise between compression and not). In terms of its smoothness, it made me think I was listening to quality tube gear. That is a tough feat to pull off: "smooth detail." Furthermore, I was starting to eat my words regarding soundstaging. MP3 is a reflection of CD in the sense that some recordings are imbued with much more ambiance and dimensionality than others. On some MP3s, I could actually hear beyond the soundstage and into the ambiance of the recording venue, which, as I said, is my hi-fi Holy Grail. Admittedly, the soundstage was still not in the shape or position that I prefer, and yet I was amazed that I was getting that kind of sound from an MP3. Other hi-fi attributes were also present on MP3 via the HeadRoom: dynamic punch when called for, and a tight bass perhaps in the 30-hz range from a particular synth-based recording. I have no basis to compare what TAH is doing for MP3s relative to other headphone amps, but I can tell you that MP3s lost much of their magic without the amp. I never thought I would use "MP3" and "magic" in the same sentence" Go here for Stereotimes full review http://www.stereotimes.com/acc071301.shtm |
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gts mp3 to wav to mp3 to wav same? Feb 27 2003, 14:42
CiTay No. MP3 encoding is a lossy process. The WAV that ... Feb 27 2003, 14:46
gts Well the first conversion from wav to mp3 removes ... Feb 27 2003, 15:05
Xenion QUOTE (gts @ Feb 27 2003 - 03:05 PM)Well the ... Feb 27 2003, 15:15
X-Fixer QUOTE (gts @ Feb 27 2003 - 09:05 PM)Well the ... Feb 27 2003, 15:26
gts QUOTE theoretically this could work this way. (sec... Feb 27 2003, 23:30
gts QUOTE original wav => mp3 =lossy
agreed
QUOTE m... Feb 27 2003, 23:33
Messer Codec does not remove anything. It rounds some val... Feb 27 2003, 23:39
gts Thank you.
What search words will find the topic?
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Mac I'll chip in because it took me a few goes of ... Feb 27 2003, 23:46
Messer I'd try "reencoding".
This is for e... Feb 27 2003, 23:49
gts Thank you! Feb 28 2003, 00:01
CiTay QUOTE Codec does not remove anything. It rounds so... Feb 28 2003, 00:21
gts QUOTE It doesn't care if the WAV was previousl... Feb 28 2003, 00:30
Messer QUOTE (CiTay @ Feb 28 2003 - 01:21 AM)QUOTE C... Feb 28 2003, 00:35
gts QUOTE that essential process in lossy compression ... Feb 28 2003, 00:37
fewtch There's a simple way to test this. Encode a .... Feb 28 2003, 00:42
Artemis3 If you record a CD into a cassette tape, then use ... Feb 28 2003, 02:14
gts QUOTE If you record a CD into a cassette tape, the... Feb 28 2003, 02:29
rjamorim QUOTE (gts @ Feb 27 2003 - 08:30 PM)In the jp... Feb 28 2003, 02:39
gts QUOTE But reducing the amount of colors is only ON... Feb 28 2003, 02:44
rjamorim QUOTE (gts @ Feb 27 2003 - 10:44 PM)but the p... Feb 28 2003, 03:05
rjamorim QUOTE (andrew3199 @ Feb 28 2003 - 12:29 AM)fo... Feb 28 2003, 04:36
dreamliner77 QUOTE I perceived the decay of plucked notes on an... Feb 28 2003, 05:19
makarov An analogy to JPEG lossy image compression was mad... Jan 30 2005, 07:33
NeoRenegade gts, with regards to your JPEG analogy... you refe... Mar 2 2003, 23:14
kdo QUOTE (rjamorim @ Feb 28 2003 - 03:05 AM)Code... Mar 3 2003, 00:37
aggies11 Not to resurrect a dead thread or anything, but it... Aug 21 2003, 02:13
Doctor aggies: no.
Lossy sound encoding is not like you ... Aug 21 2003, 02:54
phong An interesting thought, but probably academic. MP... Aug 21 2003, 02:58
AtaqueEG QUOTE (dreamliner77 @ Feb 27 2003, 11:19 PM)R... Aug 21 2003, 03:18
2Bdecided QUOTE (aggies11 @ Aug 21 2003, 01:13 AM)Could... Aug 21 2003, 10:33
2Bdecided In reply to the original question, the simplistic ... Aug 21 2003, 10:39
sld (Redundant post, sorry) Aug 21 2003, 10:40
Vietwoojagig I remember long time ago, there was a technology c... Aug 21 2003, 12:53
2Bdecided DCC used (what would become) MPEG-1 layer I.
You ... Aug 21 2003, 13:24
aggies11 Thanks for the quick replies. Very informative ind... Aug 21 2003, 17:06
phong The answer to the first question is "no... Aug 21 2003, 19:29
Doctor Yawn.
phong: I think you are wrong on both counts... Aug 22 2003, 03:29
phong I think I mis-specified which questions I was answ... Aug 22 2003, 03:46
Canar QUOTE (2Bdecided @ Aug 21 2003, 01:33 AM)I do... Aug 22 2003, 04:08
bexx Isn't wavpacklossy/hybrid whatever its called ... Aug 22 2003, 04:29
sublimelouie easiest way to think of it, its like xeroxing a xe... Aug 22 2003, 04:51
aggies11 Sublime:
easiest way to think of it, its like xero... Aug 22 2003, 05:26
2Bdecided This reply is in response to no one in particular.... Aug 22 2003, 11:05
Gabriel QUOTE IIRC FhG looked at this. You could call it a... Aug 22 2003, 11:23
smg QUOTE (2Bdecided @ Aug 22 2003, 06:05 AM)This... Aug 22 2003, 14:46
phong QUOTE Do it enough, you can reduce the complexity ... Aug 22 2003, 16:13
ErikS QUOTE (Gabriel @ Aug 22 2003, 11:23 AM)Now, t... Aug 22 2003, 16:50
Zilva Cosine transformation is NOT LOSSY. After transofm... Sep 10 2003, 10:06
tigre QUOTE (Zilva @ Sep 10 2003, 01:06 AM)Cosine t... Sep 10 2003, 10:35
2Bdecided QUOTE (Zilva @ Sep 10 2003, 09:06 AM)Cosine t... Sep 10 2003, 11:11
MugFunky wow.. old post. ("holy thread resurrection, b... Jan 31 2005, 04:06
h.tuehn I don't want to correct anything MugFunky or m... Jan 31 2005, 07:16![]() ![]() |
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