Biwiring and Cables, A couple of questions on how to |
Biwiring and Cables, A couple of questions on how to |
Feb 28 2003, 22:17
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I want to buy decent cables for my speakers and was wondering on how the setup should be.
The speakers in question (Infinity Alpha 40) is biwirable. My amp has two pairs of speaker outputs. In this case which one is a better idea: to use biwiring cables or use separate wires using both of the speaker outputs on my amp? If I use separate identical cables, does the length make difference? And about the cable diameter, are the thick ones necessarily better? If so how much? I am planning to spend around $80 for my cabling. 7 feet cable for each channel is sufficient. Do you have any suggestions on quality but cheap cables? What do you think about the ones here? Please let me know what you think. Your help is much appreciated. -------------------- The object of mankind lies in its highest individuals.
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Mar 10 2003, 02:41
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Hi Atici, you have to be careful about articles like the one in the above link. Its very similiar to sites like www.pcabx.com that use test equipment instead of ears to measure audio equipment.
The article above starts off, and never strays away from judging speaker cable by its measured resistance, which has absolutely nothing to do with its fidelity. The resistance of any speaker cable would be negligable relative to the audio circuit, unless, of course, you did something exceptionaly mismatched, like using 24 gauge intercom wire to hook up a 200 watt/ch system. The difference between zip cord and "good" speaker cables comes from a phenomenon known as the "skin effect". Audio frequencys travel through the skin, or outside edge of a wire. So, good wires are made up of many small wires, braided in such a way as to maximize phase-coherency that might be smeared by inductive interaction in larger wires. I can't really do the subject justice here, but if you put "skin effect" into your favorite search engine, you'll get many hits on the subject. Keep in mind however, that even this is still arguable as "the" reason one cable sounds better than another. I simply know that some do by virtue of having been in a position to hear the differences. You also must keep in mind, the difference will only be noticeable on a system that is of sufficient quality to make a difference. It isn't going to matter much what speaker wire you use if your playing a Pioneer reciever through JBL's. But, to get back to your original question, if you can, try your setup both ways, and see if you can tell a difference. If you can't, it doesn't matter. If you can, go with the setup that sounds best to you. Always trust your ears. Dex |
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atici Biwiring and Cables Feb 28 2003, 22:17
Amadablam http://home.earthlink.net/~rogerr7/wire.htm
I can... Feb 28 2003, 22:29
gdougherty "Audiophile grade" copper cable is bunk.... Mar 10 2003, 04:28
atici Is thicker cable necessarily better? I got a 10 ga... Mar 10 2003, 05:30
boojum Doesn't Ohm's Law cover all of this?
Buy ... Mar 10 2003, 05:40
KikeG Even biwiring is vodoo audio. From an electrical p... Mar 10 2003, 09:04
Dex4now QUOTE (gdougherty @ Mar 9 2003 - 07:28 PM)I p... Mar 10 2003, 10:13
KikeG QUOTE (Dex4now @ Mar 10 2003 - 10:13 AM)And, ... Mar 10 2003, 10:26
Dibrom QUOTE (Dex4now @ Mar 10 2003 - 02:13 AM)And, ... Mar 10 2003, 11:21
LoKi128 I believe that there are some things in the audio ... Mar 10 2003, 16:12
Bedeox QUOTE (LoKi128 @ Mar 10 2003 - 07:12 AM)I bel... Mar 10 2003, 17:28
LoKi128 ABX is a statistical method... it is a scientific ... Mar 10 2003, 20:03
atici QUOTE (LoKi128 @ Mar 10 2003 - 10:12 AM)Bi-wi... Mar 10 2003, 20:20
Bedeox But this difference is not hearable and is hardly ... Mar 10 2003, 20:47
DigitalMan QUOTE (atici @ Mar 10 2003 - 11:20 AM)AFAIK I... Mar 10 2003, 21:38
Dex4now Well, unfortunately, much of the criticism of my c... Mar 11 2003, 00:37
lucpes CODE1) single wire:
preamp->amp-... Mar 11 2003, 00:59
Dex4now Hi lucpes, just so you know, Bi-amping and bi-wiri... Mar 11 2003, 01:15
Annuka Responding to original question:
It has been my e... Mar 11 2003, 01:36
Annuka I'd like to add a comment:
Audio is a physic... Mar 11 2003, 01:53
DigitalMan QUOTE (Annuka @ Mar 10 2003 - 04:36 PM)Connec... Mar 11 2003, 01:57
lucpes QUOTE (Dex4now @ Mar 11 2003 - 12:15 AM)...po... Mar 11 2003, 04:15
lucpes QUOTE (atici @ Mar 10 2003 - 07:20 PM)Biwirin... Mar 11 2003, 04:18
KikeG Oh man... biwiring is *useless*, has no sense from... Mar 11 2003, 09:09
gdougherty QUOTE (Annuka @ Mar 10 2003 - 06:36 PM)Respon... Mar 11 2003, 09:31
KikeG gdougherty, I agree on nearly everything:
About i... Mar 11 2003, 10:03
Pio2001 When a single 4 mm2 cable is used and a 1000 Hz si... Mar 12 2003, 01:35
KikeG QUOTE (Pio2001 @ Mar 12 2003 - 01:35 AM)Thus,... Mar 12 2003, 09:01
Annuka I studied electronics for a short while many years... Mar 12 2003, 12:06
KikeG QUOTE (Annuka @ Mar 12 2003 - 12:06 PM)But wh... Mar 12 2003, 12:48
Annuka QUOTE (KikeG @ Mar 12 2003 - 01:48 PM)Sorry, ... Mar 12 2003, 14:44
KikeG Well, when I call somebody an expert (which I don... Mar 12 2003, 15:22
2Bdecided QUOTE (atici @ Feb 28 2003 - 09:17 PM)I want ... Mar 12 2003, 15:37
2Bdecided QUOTE (Dex4now @ Mar 10 2003 - 01:41 AM)Hi At... Mar 12 2003, 15:59
KikeG Yep... I'm more of an objectivist, but I try n... Mar 12 2003, 16:09
KikeG By the way, I'm 100% of the opinion of that an... Mar 12 2003, 16:24
DonP QUOTE (DigitalMan @ Mar 10 2003 - 07:57 PM)[... Mar 12 2003, 16:32
KikeG But silver has a pay-off. It weights more than cop... Mar 12 2003, 16:37
atici QUOTE (2Bdecided @ Mar 12 2003 - 09:37 AM)The... Mar 12 2003, 21:53
Dex4now QUOTE (2Bdecided @ Mar 12 2003 - 06:59 AM)QUO... Mar 12 2003, 23:27
KikeG QUOTE (Dex4now @ Mar 12 2003 - 11:27 PM)I... Mar 13 2003, 10:07
KikeG Addition to my previous post:
Note, I always talk... Mar 13 2003, 10:15
2Bdecided QUOTE (KikeG @ Mar 12 2003 - 03:24 PM)By the ... Mar 13 2003, 11:52
2Bdecided Sorry Dex - I didn't mean to offend, and I kno... Mar 13 2003, 12:35
KikeG @2Bdecided:
QUOTE BUT it's not always trivial... Mar 13 2003, 12:36
Daneel QUOTE (Dex4now @ Mar 9 2003 - 05:41 PM)....Th... Mar 13 2003, 13:43
Pio2001 I did the same calculus, though using the complete... Mar 13 2003, 20:48
Dex4now 2Bdecided: As I look back at my post, the bold em... Mar 13 2003, 23:47
KikeG QUOTE (Dex4now @ Mar 13 2003 - 11:47 PM)The d... Mar 14 2003, 09:03
gdougherty QUOTE (Annuka @ Mar 12 2003 - 05:06 AM)Here i... Mar 14 2003, 11:39
SometimesWarrior QUOTE (gdougherty @ Mar 11 2003 - 12:31 AM)As... Mar 14 2003, 12:03
gdougherty QUOTE (Dex4now @ Mar 13 2003 - 04:47 PM)One o... Mar 14 2003, 12:07
gdougherty QUOTE (SometimesWarrior @ Mar 14 2003 - 05:03... Mar 14 2003, 12:14
Pio2001 QUOTE (Dex4now @ Mar 14 2003 - 01:47 AM)whate... Mar 15 2003, 00:01
Dex4now QUOTE (KikeG @ Mar 14 2003 - 12:03 AM)QUOTE (... Mar 15 2003, 02:48
Bedeox QUOTE (gdougherty @ Mar 14 2003 - 03:07 AM)Ou... Mar 15 2003, 17:16
Dex4now C'mon Bedeox, you couldn't have meant that... Mar 16 2003, 00:26
Pio2001 In HA, MP3 vs original, with measurable time smear... Mar 16 2003, 00:32
LoKi128 QUOTE (Pio2001 @ Mar 15 2003 - 06:32 PM)And i... Mar 16 2003, 00:57![]() ![]() |
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