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post Feb 28 2003, 22:17
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I want to buy decent cables for my speakers and was wondering on how the setup should be.

The speakers in question (Infinity Alpha 40) is biwirable. My amp has two pairs of speaker outputs. In this case which one is a better idea: to use biwiring cables or use separate wires using both of the speaker outputs on my amp? If I use separate identical cables, does the length make difference?

And about the cable diameter, are the thick ones necessarily better? If so how much? I am planning to spend around $80 for my cabling. 7 feet cable for each channel is sufficient. Do you have any suggestions on quality but cheap cables? What do you think about the ones here?

Please let me know what you think. Your help is much appreciated.


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Sorry Dex - I didn't mean to offend, and I know you're not trying to sell us Hi-Fi equipment!


I probably disagree on "subjectively better". Or maybe I don't... If you mean "sounds nice to me" then I don't care what sounds nicer to you - I want something that sounds like the original event. If we accept that this can't happen, then I guess we all buy whatever sounds like the lesser evil to each one of us, which gets us back to "sounds nice to me".


I can only bring my experience at university forward in this, because I've never played with "serious" Hi-Fi (of the cost you mention) at home.

1. On a system which was designed so that the measured frequency response was flatter than anything you have ever heard in your life, the results were jaw dropping. We had Ken Kesler in (Hi-fi Journo), and we couldn't shift him - he played CD after CD after CD, and loved it. He wrote it up as the best system he'd heard...
http://www.essex.ac.uk/ese/research/audio_...press.html#HiFi

2. On that same system, it would have good days and bad days. Maybe there was a software fault which meant at was actually different on different days - but this is unlikely. It was subjective, but it wasn't subtle - we'd walk in and agree that it sounded like a dog, using the same recording that had sounded great the previous day, and would probably sound great the next day. It did sound better after it had been left on for hours (even days). It (sometimes) sounded much better at night. What was it? Variable RF interference from several thousand PCs on campus? Temperature changes? Us in different moods (but why all of us?!) We never found out.


The interesting thing is that the response was only "perfectly" flat at one point in space. At other points, it was still better than most systems, but at that one point, it was "nearly perfect". What was amazing is that most people could find that tiny sweet spot. Not just audiophiles, but people who thought their ghetto blaster was good! Whether they liked it was a different matter - some people wanted more bass, and some recordings always sounded too bright. But don't you find it strange that in a world where we go after "what sounds nice to me", objective measured perfection, when nearly achieved, was usually preferable? And even preferable to "very nearly as good but not quite"?

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David.
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- atici   Biwiring and Cables   Feb 28 2003, 22:17
- - Amadablam   http://home.earthlink.net/~rogerr7/wire.htm I can...   Feb 28 2003, 22:29
- - Dex4now   Hi Atici, you have to be careful about articles li...   Mar 10 2003, 02:41
- - gdougherty   "Audiophile grade" copper cable is bunk....   Mar 10 2003, 04:28
- - atici   Is thicker cable necessarily better? I got a 10 ga...   Mar 10 2003, 05:30
- - boojum   Doesn't Ohm's Law cover all of this? Buy ...   Mar 10 2003, 05:40
- - KikeG   Even biwiring is vodoo audio. From an electrical p...   Mar 10 2003, 09:04
- - Dex4now   QUOTE (gdougherty @ Mar 9 2003 - 07:28 PM)I p...   Mar 10 2003, 10:13
- - KikeG   QUOTE (Dex4now @ Mar 10 2003 - 10:13 AM)And, ...   Mar 10 2003, 10:26
- - Dibrom   QUOTE (Dex4now @ Mar 10 2003 - 02:13 AM)And, ...   Mar 10 2003, 11:21
- - LoKi128   I believe that there are some things in the audio ...   Mar 10 2003, 16:12
- - Bedeox   QUOTE (LoKi128 @ Mar 10 2003 - 07:12 AM)I bel...   Mar 10 2003, 17:28
- - LoKi128   ABX is a statistical method... it is a scientific ...   Mar 10 2003, 20:03
- - atici   QUOTE (LoKi128 @ Mar 10 2003 - 10:12 AM)Bi-wi...   Mar 10 2003, 20:20
- - Bedeox   But this difference is not hearable and is hardly ...   Mar 10 2003, 20:47
- - DigitalMan   QUOTE (atici @ Mar 10 2003 - 11:20 AM)AFAIK I...   Mar 10 2003, 21:38
- - Dex4now   Well, unfortunately, much of the criticism of my c...   Mar 11 2003, 00:37
- - lucpes   CODE1) single wire: preamp->amp-...   Mar 11 2003, 00:59
- - Dex4now   Hi lucpes, just so you know, Bi-amping and bi-wiri...   Mar 11 2003, 01:15
- - Annuka   Responding to original question: It has been my e...   Mar 11 2003, 01:36
- - Annuka   I'd like to add a comment: Audio is a physic...   Mar 11 2003, 01:53
- - DigitalMan   QUOTE (Annuka @ Mar 10 2003 - 04:36 PM)Connec...   Mar 11 2003, 01:57
- - lucpes   QUOTE (Dex4now @ Mar 11 2003 - 12:15 AM)...po...   Mar 11 2003, 04:15
- - lucpes   QUOTE (atici @ Mar 10 2003 - 07:20 PM)Biwirin...   Mar 11 2003, 04:18
- - KikeG   Oh man... biwiring is *useless*, has no sense from...   Mar 11 2003, 09:09
- - gdougherty   QUOTE (Annuka @ Mar 10 2003 - 06:36 PM)Respon...   Mar 11 2003, 09:31
- - KikeG   gdougherty, I agree on nearly everything: About i...   Mar 11 2003, 10:03
- - Pio2001   When a single 4 mm2 cable is used and a 1000 Hz si...   Mar 12 2003, 01:35
- - KikeG   QUOTE (Pio2001 @ Mar 12 2003 - 01:35 AM)Thus,...   Mar 12 2003, 09:01
- - Annuka   I studied electronics for a short while many years...   Mar 12 2003, 12:06
- - KikeG   QUOTE (Annuka @ Mar 12 2003 - 12:06 PM)But wh...   Mar 12 2003, 12:48
- - Annuka   QUOTE (KikeG @ Mar 12 2003 - 01:48 PM)Sorry, ...   Mar 12 2003, 14:44
- - KikeG   Well, when I call somebody an expert (which I don...   Mar 12 2003, 15:22
- - 2Bdecided   QUOTE (atici @ Feb 28 2003 - 09:17 PM)I want ...   Mar 12 2003, 15:37
- - 2Bdecided   QUOTE (Dex4now @ Mar 10 2003 - 01:41 AM)Hi At...   Mar 12 2003, 15:59
- - KikeG   Yep... I'm more of an objectivist, but I try n...   Mar 12 2003, 16:09
- - KikeG   By the way, I'm 100% of the opinion of that an...   Mar 12 2003, 16:24
- - DonP   QUOTE (DigitalMan @ Mar 10 2003 - 07:57 PM)[...   Mar 12 2003, 16:32
- - KikeG   But silver has a pay-off. It weights more than cop...   Mar 12 2003, 16:37
- - atici   QUOTE (2Bdecided @ Mar 12 2003 - 09:37 AM)The...   Mar 12 2003, 21:53
- - Dex4now   QUOTE (2Bdecided @ Mar 12 2003 - 06:59 AM)QUO...   Mar 12 2003, 23:27
- - KikeG   QUOTE (Dex4now @ Mar 12 2003 - 11:27 PM)I...   Mar 13 2003, 10:07
- - KikeG   Addition to my previous post: Note, I always talk...   Mar 13 2003, 10:15
- - 2Bdecided   QUOTE (KikeG @ Mar 12 2003 - 03:24 PM)By the ...   Mar 13 2003, 11:52
- - 2Bdecided   Sorry Dex - I didn't mean to offend, and I kno...   Mar 13 2003, 12:35
- - KikeG   @2Bdecided: QUOTE BUT it's not always trivial...   Mar 13 2003, 12:36
- - Daneel   QUOTE (Dex4now @ Mar 9 2003 - 05:41 PM)....Th...   Mar 13 2003, 13:43
- - Pio2001   I did the same calculus, though using the complete...   Mar 13 2003, 20:48
- - Dex4now   2Bdecided: As I look back at my post, the bold em...   Mar 13 2003, 23:47
- - KikeG   QUOTE (Dex4now @ Mar 13 2003 - 11:47 PM)The d...   Mar 14 2003, 09:03
- - gdougherty   QUOTE (Annuka @ Mar 12 2003 - 05:06 AM)Here i...   Mar 14 2003, 11:39
- - SometimesWarrior   QUOTE (gdougherty @ Mar 11 2003 - 12:31 AM)As...   Mar 14 2003, 12:03
- - gdougherty   QUOTE (Dex4now @ Mar 13 2003 - 04:47 PM)One o...   Mar 14 2003, 12:07
- - gdougherty   QUOTE (SometimesWarrior @ Mar 14 2003 - 05:03...   Mar 14 2003, 12:14
- - Pio2001   QUOTE (Dex4now @ Mar 14 2003 - 01:47 AM)whate...   Mar 15 2003, 00:01
- - Dex4now   QUOTE (KikeG @ Mar 14 2003 - 12:03 AM)QUOTE (...   Mar 15 2003, 02:48
- - Bedeox   QUOTE (gdougherty @ Mar 14 2003 - 03:07 AM)Ou...   Mar 15 2003, 17:16
- - Dex4now   C'mon Bedeox, you couldn't have meant that...   Mar 16 2003, 00:26
- - Pio2001   In HA, MP3 vs original, with measurable time smear...   Mar 16 2003, 00:32
- - LoKi128   QUOTE (Pio2001 @ Mar 15 2003 - 06:32 PM)And i...   Mar 16 2003, 00:57


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