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post Feb 28 2003, 22:17
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I want to buy decent cables for my speakers and was wondering on how the setup should be.

The speakers in question (Infinity Alpha 40) is biwirable. My amp has two pairs of speaker outputs. In this case which one is a better idea: to use biwiring cables or use separate wires using both of the speaker outputs on my amp? If I use separate identical cables, does the length make difference?

And about the cable diameter, are the thick ones necessarily better? If so how much? I am planning to spend around $80 for my cabling. 7 feet cable for each channel is sufficient. Do you have any suggestions on quality but cheap cables? What do you think about the ones here?

Please let me know what you think. Your help is much appreciated.


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2Bdecided: As I look back at my post, the bold emphasis did make it appear that I may have been offended. Sorry for that, I wasn't. biggrin.gif

KikeG: Thanks for the other ABX link. I'll check it out. One of the aspects of audio that helps "muddy-the-waters" of balancing the objective and subjective parts of all this, at least for me , I can best illustrate by example. I can "tweak" my system to where I think it sounds best, and my wife thinks its too "bright". Obviously, measurement doesn't really play a part here, because were both listening to the same thing at the same time. Something different is happening between the ear and the brain. It is along these lines that I find it difficult sometimes to correlate a "specification" with what I hear, or quantify this to a "good" or "bad" sound.

Daneel: I originaly got that notion from an "engineering note" that I read back in the days when I was a tech at an audio store. I don't remember its source, but there's a very good chance that it was literature from one of the speaker cable manufacturers that we sold. In my defense, I did state in the next paragraph that it was "arguable" to the relevance of this.

You are, however, quite correct when you say I ". . . need some education." wink.gif
Fortunately, this forum is supplying some.


One of the last points I want to make is: my view on the whole "audible effect of speaker wire" debate, comes fundamentally from listening to two "audiophile" speaker cables on a friends system about 20 years ago. This was in the analog days. I can't remember all the specifics of his system, (he owned the audio store, by the way), but I remember it was a Sumiko cartridge on a Rabco arm, can't remember the base, played through an Audio Research pre-amp, Classe' amp, and whatever the top of the line Magnapans were at that time. (They were four panels.) Anyway, there very definitely was a difference, albeit subtle, between the two cables. Neither of us had any bias towards either cable, we just wanted to see if there was a difference.

This is why I take the position I do when these speaker wire discussions come up. I can't necessarily state why one cable sounds better, or perhaps I should say, different, than another. I just know they do. But even that statement needs qualification. The difference, I believe, will only be realized in a very expensive system.

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- atici   Biwiring and Cables   Feb 28 2003, 22:17
- - Amadablam   http://home.earthlink.net/~rogerr7/wire.htm I can...   Feb 28 2003, 22:29
- - Dex4now   Hi Atici, you have to be careful about articles li...   Mar 10 2003, 02:41
- - gdougherty   "Audiophile grade" copper cable is bunk....   Mar 10 2003, 04:28
- - atici   Is thicker cable necessarily better? I got a 10 ga...   Mar 10 2003, 05:30
- - boojum   Doesn't Ohm's Law cover all of this? Buy ...   Mar 10 2003, 05:40
- - KikeG   Even biwiring is vodoo audio. From an electrical p...   Mar 10 2003, 09:04
- - Dex4now   QUOTE (gdougherty @ Mar 9 2003 - 07:28 PM)I p...   Mar 10 2003, 10:13
- - KikeG   QUOTE (Dex4now @ Mar 10 2003 - 10:13 AM)And, ...   Mar 10 2003, 10:26
- - Dibrom   QUOTE (Dex4now @ Mar 10 2003 - 02:13 AM)And, ...   Mar 10 2003, 11:21
- - LoKi128   I believe that there are some things in the audio ...   Mar 10 2003, 16:12
- - Bedeox   QUOTE (LoKi128 @ Mar 10 2003 - 07:12 AM)I bel...   Mar 10 2003, 17:28
- - LoKi128   ABX is a statistical method... it is a scientific ...   Mar 10 2003, 20:03
- - atici   QUOTE (LoKi128 @ Mar 10 2003 - 10:12 AM)Bi-wi...   Mar 10 2003, 20:20
- - Bedeox   But this difference is not hearable and is hardly ...   Mar 10 2003, 20:47
- - DigitalMan   QUOTE (atici @ Mar 10 2003 - 11:20 AM)AFAIK I...   Mar 10 2003, 21:38
- - Dex4now   Well, unfortunately, much of the criticism of my c...   Mar 11 2003, 00:37
- - lucpes   CODE1) single wire: preamp->amp-...   Mar 11 2003, 00:59
- - Dex4now   Hi lucpes, just so you know, Bi-amping and bi-wiri...   Mar 11 2003, 01:15
- - Annuka   Responding to original question: It has been my e...   Mar 11 2003, 01:36
- - Annuka   I'd like to add a comment: Audio is a physic...   Mar 11 2003, 01:53
- - DigitalMan   QUOTE (Annuka @ Mar 10 2003 - 04:36 PM)Connec...   Mar 11 2003, 01:57
- - lucpes   QUOTE (Dex4now @ Mar 11 2003 - 12:15 AM)...po...   Mar 11 2003, 04:15
- - lucpes   QUOTE (atici @ Mar 10 2003 - 07:20 PM)Biwirin...   Mar 11 2003, 04:18
- - KikeG   Oh man... biwiring is *useless*, has no sense from...   Mar 11 2003, 09:09
- - gdougherty   QUOTE (Annuka @ Mar 10 2003 - 06:36 PM)Respon...   Mar 11 2003, 09:31
- - KikeG   gdougherty, I agree on nearly everything: About i...   Mar 11 2003, 10:03
- - Pio2001   When a single 4 mm2 cable is used and a 1000 Hz si...   Mar 12 2003, 01:35
- - KikeG   QUOTE (Pio2001 @ Mar 12 2003 - 01:35 AM)Thus,...   Mar 12 2003, 09:01
- - Annuka   I studied electronics for a short while many years...   Mar 12 2003, 12:06
- - KikeG   QUOTE (Annuka @ Mar 12 2003 - 12:06 PM)But wh...   Mar 12 2003, 12:48
- - Annuka   QUOTE (KikeG @ Mar 12 2003 - 01:48 PM)Sorry, ...   Mar 12 2003, 14:44
- - KikeG   Well, when I call somebody an expert (which I don...   Mar 12 2003, 15:22
- - 2Bdecided   QUOTE (atici @ Feb 28 2003 - 09:17 PM)I want ...   Mar 12 2003, 15:37
- - 2Bdecided   QUOTE (Dex4now @ Mar 10 2003 - 01:41 AM)Hi At...   Mar 12 2003, 15:59
- - KikeG   Yep... I'm more of an objectivist, but I try n...   Mar 12 2003, 16:09
- - KikeG   By the way, I'm 100% of the opinion of that an...   Mar 12 2003, 16:24
- - DonP   QUOTE (DigitalMan @ Mar 10 2003 - 07:57 PM)[...   Mar 12 2003, 16:32
- - KikeG   But silver has a pay-off. It weights more than cop...   Mar 12 2003, 16:37
- - atici   QUOTE (2Bdecided @ Mar 12 2003 - 09:37 AM)The...   Mar 12 2003, 21:53
- - Dex4now   QUOTE (2Bdecided @ Mar 12 2003 - 06:59 AM)QUO...   Mar 12 2003, 23:27
- - KikeG   QUOTE (Dex4now @ Mar 12 2003 - 11:27 PM)I...   Mar 13 2003, 10:07
- - KikeG   Addition to my previous post: Note, I always talk...   Mar 13 2003, 10:15
- - 2Bdecided   QUOTE (KikeG @ Mar 12 2003 - 03:24 PM)By the ...   Mar 13 2003, 11:52
- - 2Bdecided   Sorry Dex - I didn't mean to offend, and I kno...   Mar 13 2003, 12:35
- - KikeG   @2Bdecided: QUOTE BUT it's not always trivial...   Mar 13 2003, 12:36
- - Daneel   QUOTE (Dex4now @ Mar 9 2003 - 05:41 PM)....Th...   Mar 13 2003, 13:43
- - Pio2001   I did the same calculus, though using the complete...   Mar 13 2003, 20:48
- - Dex4now   2Bdecided: As I look back at my post, the bold em...   Mar 13 2003, 23:47
- - KikeG   QUOTE (Dex4now @ Mar 13 2003 - 11:47 PM)The d...   Mar 14 2003, 09:03
- - gdougherty   QUOTE (Annuka @ Mar 12 2003 - 05:06 AM)Here i...   Mar 14 2003, 11:39
- - SometimesWarrior   QUOTE (gdougherty @ Mar 11 2003 - 12:31 AM)As...   Mar 14 2003, 12:03
- - gdougherty   QUOTE (Dex4now @ Mar 13 2003 - 04:47 PM)One o...   Mar 14 2003, 12:07
- - gdougherty   QUOTE (SometimesWarrior @ Mar 14 2003 - 05:03...   Mar 14 2003, 12:14
- - Pio2001   QUOTE (Dex4now @ Mar 14 2003 - 01:47 AM)whate...   Mar 15 2003, 00:01
- - Dex4now   QUOTE (KikeG @ Mar 14 2003 - 12:03 AM)QUOTE (...   Mar 15 2003, 02:48
- - Bedeox   QUOTE (gdougherty @ Mar 14 2003 - 03:07 AM)Ou...   Mar 15 2003, 17:16
- - Dex4now   C'mon Bedeox, you couldn't have meant that...   Mar 16 2003, 00:26
- - Pio2001   In HA, MP3 vs original, with measurable time smear...   Mar 16 2003, 00:32
- - LoKi128   QUOTE (Pio2001 @ Mar 15 2003 - 06:32 PM)And i...   Mar 16 2003, 00:57


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