Article: Why We Need Audiophiles, The subjective perspective |
Article: Why We Need Audiophiles, The subjective perspective |
  Apr 16 2009, 14:55
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I'm interested in what the HA community thinks about this new Gizmodo article, or blog, about Michael Fremer, an audio reviewer from Stereophile, which clearly goes completely against the grain around here. For instance:
"We play my solid 256kbps VBR MP3 of "Heroes" off my iPod; it sounds like shit. Free of pops and crackles, yes, but completely lifeless, flat in every way. This is the detail that matters: Audiophiles are basically synesthesiacs. They "see" music in three-dimensional visual space. You close your eyes in Fremer's chair, and you can perceive a detailed 3D matrix of sound, with each element occupying its own special space in the air. It's crazy and I've never experienced anything like it." ~ Why we need audiophiles -------------------- Censorship reflects society's lack of confidence~Potter Stewart
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Apr 16 2009, 15:31
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 Group: Members Posts: 24 Joined: 3-September 08 From: Cornelia, GA Member No.: 57832 |
I just got through reading that and I HAD to come to HA to find out what you guys thought. I had to stop reading, there was so much BS I couldn't stand it.
Moderation: Removed useless full quotation of the first post. This post has been edited by greynol: Apr 16 2009, 17:18 |
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2tec Article: Why We Need Audiophiles Apr 16 2009, 14:55
lvqcl QUOTE Audiophiles are basically synesthesiacs.
Ne... Apr 16 2009, 15:29 Fandango Hey , nig nig! How can you say that! They ... Apr 16 2009, 15:44
Nick.C QUOTE (Fandango @ Apr 16 2009, 15:44) The... Apr 16 2009, 19:46 Bodhi If I had a $350,000 stereo system I wouldn... Apr 16 2009, 16:03 krabapple Sad to read how many commenters there thought it w... Apr 16 2009, 16:16 nig nig the conqueror QUOTE (krabapple @ Apr 16 2009, 11:16) Sa... Apr 16 2009, 16:39 Arnold B. Krueger Unlike most people who post here, I've had the... Apr 16 2009, 16:32 pdq QUOTE (Arnold B. Krueger @ Apr 16 2009, 11... Apr 16 2009, 16:54 krabapple IIRC (and I may not) in his 'real life' Fr... Apr 16 2009, 17:02 cpchan QUOTE (Arnold B. Krueger @ Apr 16 2009, 10... Apr 16 2009, 21:24 shenzi Elsewhere on the site someone posted a link to an ... Apr 17 2009, 11:47 Arnold B. Krueger QUOTE (shenzi @ Apr 17 2009, 06:47) Elsew... Apr 17 2009, 16:32 skelly831 I've been a Gizmodo reader for a while, but al... Apr 16 2009, 16:41 2Bdecided I don't think it's that bad. If you want t... Apr 16 2009, 16:44 nig nig the conqueror QUOTE (2Bdecided @ Apr 16 2009, 11:44) So... Apr 16 2009, 16:50 Ron Jones QUOTE (Bodhi @ Apr 16 2009, 07:03) If I h... Apr 16 2009, 17:04 krabapple QUOTE (Ron Jones @ Apr 16 2009, 12:04) I... Apr 16 2009, 18:03 kornchild2002 QUOTE (2tec @ Apr 16 2009, 06:55) They ... Apr 16 2009, 18:04 rpp3po In the context of synesthesia the 3D metaphor is r... Apr 16 2009, 19:06 kornchild2002 QUOTE (rpp3po @ Apr 16 2009, 11:06) But i... Apr 16 2009, 23:31 benski QUOTE (kornchild2002 @ Apr 16 2009, 18:31... Apr 17 2009, 00:40 kornchild2002 QUOTE (benski @ Apr 16 2009, 16:40) The 4... Apr 17 2009, 04:13 Linux Zealot Troll QUOTE (kornchild2002 @ Apr 16 2009, 18:04... Apr 18 2009, 22:29 caligae This might finally give some insight to their obje... Apr 16 2009, 18:35 2Bdecided But good systems with excellently matched speakers... Apr 16 2009, 18:41 Arnold B. Krueger QUOTE (2Bdecided @ Apr 16 2009, 13:41) Bu... Apr 16 2009, 21:49 2Bdecided QUOTE (Arnold B. Krueger @ Apr 16 2009, 20... Apr 17 2009, 13:16 krabapple QUOTE (2Bdecided @ Apr 17 2009, 08:16) Le... Apr 17 2009, 17:37 Arnold B. Krueger QUOTE (2Bdecided @ Apr 17 2009, 08:16) QU... Apr 17 2009, 20:16 zipr Has there ever been any studies where vinyl, CD, a... Apr 16 2009, 19:30 krabapple QUOTE (zipr @ Apr 16 2009, 14:30) Has the... Apr 17 2009, 16:45 Kees de Visser QUOTE (krabapple @ Apr 17 2009, 16:45) QU... Apr 17 2009, 17:09 Arnold B. Krueger QUOTE (krabapple @ Apr 17 2009, 11:45) QU... Apr 17 2009, 23:47 timcupery synesthesia is a real thing, and the comparison ma... Apr 16 2009, 20:22 HotshotGG QUOTE I'm interested in what the HA community ... Apr 16 2009, 21:17 Axon I'm not really sure Fremer and Mahoney actuall... Apr 16 2009, 21:24 krabapple QUOTE (Axon @ Apr 16 2009, 16:24) QUOTE (... Apr 17 2009, 17:02 Axon Nope. According to Mejias, Fremer's a Jersey m... Apr 16 2009, 21:51 SnTholiday Do you think Fremer really gets into the music wit... Apr 16 2009, 22:05 DVDdoug 2tec,
Thanks for that post & link. Good stuf... Apr 16 2009, 23:08 carpman QUOTE It's like when you go to the symphony, a... Apr 17 2009, 08:30 Axon I think it's abundantly clear that Fremer is a... Apr 16 2009, 23:45 /mnt So if I upgrade my crappy PC speakers and my cheap... Apr 17 2009, 02:01 krabapple QUOTE (Axon @ Apr 16 2009, 18:45) I think... Apr 17 2009, 17:14 hybris QUOTE (Axon @ Apr 16 2009, 23:45) I think... Apr 19 2009, 10:10 cpchan QUOTE (hybris @ Apr 19 2009, 04:10) Is th... Apr 19 2009, 12:01 hybris QUOTE (cpchan @ Apr 19 2009, 12:01) QUOTE... Apr 19 2009, 12:43 cpchan QUOTE (hybris @ Apr 19 2009, 06:43) Eatin... Apr 19 2009, 13:20 hybris QUOTE (cpchan @ Apr 19 2009, 13:20) QUOTE... Apr 19 2009, 18:55 B0RK From what I have read , I have to say I see no pro... Apr 17 2009, 00:56 krabapple QUOTE (B0RK @ Apr 16 2009, 19:56) From wh... Apr 17 2009, 17:16 Axon Calm down B0RK. (B0RK B0RK.) None of us are arguin... Apr 17 2009, 01:11 greynol Like the suggestion that an expensive hi-fi system... Apr 17 2009, 01:18 Ron Jones QUOTE (B0RK @ Apr 16 2009, 15:56) He is a... Apr 17 2009, 02:38 shakey_snake We need audiophools about as much as we need AIDS.... Apr 17 2009, 05:12 B0RK Well fine thoughts expressed indeed .
But I still... Apr 17 2009, 05:13 cpchan QUOTE (B0RK @ Apr 16 2009, 23:13) I Still... Apr 17 2009, 05:29 kornchild2002 QUOTE (B0RK @ Apr 16 2009, 21:13) So I fe... Apr 17 2009, 05:32 greynol QUOTE (B0RK @ Apr 16 2009, 21:13) Oh ... Apr 17 2009, 06:35 Ron Jones QUOTE (B0RK @ Apr 16 2009, 20:13) Many of... Apr 17 2009, 06:40 Axon QUOTE (B0RK @ Apr 16 2009, 23:13) I Still... Apr 17 2009, 07:18 krabapple QUOTE (B0RK @ Apr 17 2009, 00:13) Oh ... Apr 17 2009, 17:24 Dracaena Hilarious. For $350k you could spend a good f... Apr 17 2009, 07:36 MichaelW @carpman
One day you'll be old, fat, and in th... Apr 17 2009, 09:11 carpman QUOTE (MichaelW @ Apr 17 2009, 08:11) One... Apr 17 2009, 09:57 HotshotGG QUOTE There is a cottage industry in the audiophil... Apr 17 2009, 13:58 cpchan QUOTE (HotshotGG @ Apr 17 2009, 07:58) I ... Apr 17 2009, 14:38 B0RK First,
@2Bdecided ,Thanks you for bringing some mu... Apr 17 2009, 21:14 rpp3po A post's length often inversely correlates wit... Apr 17 2009, 21:53 kornchild2002 QUOTE (B0RK @ Apr 17 2009, 13:14) Some vi... Apr 17 2009, 23:12 Ron Jones QUOTE (B0RK @ Apr 17 2009, 12:14) for all... Apr 17 2009, 23:23 pdq This is very disappointing. Year after year the me... Apr 17 2009, 21:40 Axon QUOTE (Arnold B. Krueger @ Apr 17 2009, 10... Apr 18 2009, 04:22 Ron Jones QUOTE (Axon @ Apr 17 2009, 19:22) The dis... Apr 18 2009, 05:50 B0RK @Ron Jones
well ...Now in your post you switched t... Apr 18 2009, 06:15 kornchild2002 QUOTE (B0RK @ Apr 17 2009, 22:15) So afte... Apr 18 2009, 17:39 chelgrian QUOTE (kornchild2002 @ Apr 18 2009, 16:39... Apr 18 2009, 17:48 Fandango QUOTE (chelgrian @ Apr 18 2009, 18:48) So... Apr 18 2009, 17:50 Ron Jones QUOTE (B0RK @ Apr 17 2009, 21:15) You... Apr 18 2009, 20:17 krabapple QUOTE (B0RK @ Apr 18 2009, 01:15) This is... Apr 19 2009, 06:07 botface Just thought I'd throw in a couple of observat... Apr 18 2009, 12:35 [JAZ] QUOTE (botface @ Apr 18 2009, 12:35) On t... Apr 18 2009, 16:14 ShowsOn QUOTE (2tec @ Apr 16 2009, 22:55) I'm... Apr 18 2009, 13:40 Axon QUOTE (ShowsOn @ Apr 18 2009, 07:40) QUOT... Apr 18 2009, 17:13 Arnold B. Krueger QUOTE (Axon @ Apr 18 2009, 12:13) QUOTE (... Apr 18 2009, 23:42 B0RK QUOTE (kornchild2002 @ Apr 18 2009, 10:39)
B0RK, y... Apr 19 2009, 01:41 Frumious B QUOTE (B0RK @ Apr 18 2009, 20:41) That we... Apr 19 2009, 04:05 pdq QUOTE (B0RK @ Apr 18 2009, 20:41) To trul... Apr 19 2009, 04:55 B0RK QUOTE (pdq @ Apr 18 2009, 21:55) It truly... Apr 19 2009, 06:22 krabapple QUOTE (B0RK @ Apr 19 2009, 01:22) But We ... Apr 19 2009, 06:42 pdq QUOTE (B0RK @ Apr 19 2009, 01:22) QUOTE (... Apr 19 2009, 13:15 kornchild2002 QUOTE (B0RK @ Apr 18 2009, 18:41) What... Apr 19 2009, 06:36 Arnold B. Krueger QUOTE (B0RK @ Apr 18 2009, 20:41) To trul... Apr 19 2009, 12:21 Frumious B QUOTE (Arnold B. Krueger @ Apr 19 2009, 07... Apr 19 2009, 14:10 Fandango QUOTE (ShowsOn @ Apr 18 2009, 14:40) Frem... Apr 18 2009, 17:43 kornchild2002 QUOTE (Fandango @ Apr 18 2009, 09:43) Isn... Apr 18 2009, 19:07 Frumious B What I find ridiculous about this article is the c... Apr 18 2009, 17:22 ShowsOn QUOTE (Frumious B @ Apr 19 2009, 01:22) W... Apr 19 2009, 04:58 |
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