How Good Can Vinyl Sound?, Anyone got some sample clips? Options

[sshd]

I do not own a turntable and have never heard the "great vinyl sound" coming from a good turntable handled correctly. I am however sligltly interested in purchasing one, as there are some interesting albums out there unavailable on CD.

Recently I found a small clip on the net: A lossless needledrop of Santana's debut album on the MFSL label. Since I own the CD on same label I had something to compare with: I was very disappointed with the needle drop. There were no pops or clicks, but the sound was dead.

Can anyone provide some sample clips of very good needle drops?

[yamfox]

This good:
Link
That's my vinyl rip, with a used $20 Pioneer and an even cheaper Shure cartridge. I get the vinyl sound.

[Glenn Gundlach]

This good:
Link
That's my vinyl rip, with a used $20 Pioneer and an even cheaper Shure cartridge. I get the vinyl sound.

Thanks for reminding me what vinyl sounds like. Now I remember why I no longer use it.

I also listened to the Abbey Road clip someone else did in January this year. OUCH

G²

This post has been edited by Glenn Gundlach: Jun 7 2010, 18:25

[doctorcilantro]

Here is a 24/192 sample.

And here is a 96kHz version SRC'd with Izoptope.

Short sample off album Kind of Blue. Cart. still needs break-in and azimuth isn't 100% correct, and......

[Canar]

Here is a 24/192 sample.

The link doesn't work for me.

Also, it'd be nice to have a sample without so much masking noise, here imparted via what, hi-hat? Cymbal? RMS power barely ever drops below -30dB. Not much dynamic range there at all...

Then again, we are cherry-picking for places where vinyl sounds good, and such a case is exactly it.

This post has been edited by Canar: Sep 2 2010, 00:15

[doctorcilantro]

Here is a 24/192 sample.

The link doesn't work for me.

Also, it'd be nice to have a sample without so much masking noise, here imparted via what, hi-hat? Cymbal? RMS power barely ever drops below -30dB. Not much dynamic range there at all...

Then again, we are cherry-picking for places where vinyl sounds good, and such a case is exactly it.

So vinyl doesn't sound good unless it has only a massive dynamic range? This is the remaster Kind of Blue on blue vinyl. Maybe it's compressed. I don't know. I will find you want some other stuff when I have my table setup correctly. There are still some issues to be sorted out too.

@ Greynol, I'm sure if you are asking for a needledrop or a diatribe on why I use 192kHz? Surely, that is for another thread???

FYI, this was recorded at 64bit float (: ) and Mbit+ Ultra Normal dither was used, to 24bit.

This post has been edited by doctorcilantro: Sep 2 2010, 01:21

[2Bdecided]

FYI, this was recorded at 64bit float (: ) and Mbit+ Ultra Normal dither was used, to 24bit.

Are you joking, or do you really think you have a 64-bit floating point ADC?!

Cheers,
David.

[doctorcilantro]

FYI, this was recorded at 64bit float (: ) and Mbit+ Ultra Normal dither was used, to 24bit.

Are you joking, or do you really think you have a 64-bit floating point ADC?!

Cheers,
David.

The Lynx driver, like most, communicates at 24bit as we all know. WL6 recorded at 64bit float; digital riaa, editing clicks, and normalization. overkill? Maybe. 32bit float would be fine (and many would argue 24bit).

I didn't really perceive it as bright, but it is a horn and maybe a more varied sample of instruments would useful. Many have discussed horns should be bitting, of course not painfully bright. Anyway, I'll do the same needledrop again.

I think the interesting discussion is what Axon brought up about the sourcing of the vinyl master. Many seemed to pass this off as unimportant. I'm interested in taking a closer look at new releases, not really arguing about bit depth or sample rates which has been done ad infinitum here. Thanks for listening!

This post has been edited by doctorcilantro: Sep 2 2010, 12:11