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What bitrate do you use?, MP3,AAC,Vorbis,MPC.
What bitrate do you use?
MP3
V7 or less [ 3 ] ** [0.54%]
V6 [ 7 ] ** [1.25%]
V5 [ 44 ] ** [7.86%]
V4 [ 28 ] ** [5.00%]
V3 [ 42 ] ** [7.50%]
V2 [ 137 ] ** [24.46%]
V1 [ 19 ] ** [3.39%]
V0 [ 110 ] ** [19.64%]
320 kbps [ 51 ] ** [9.11%]
I don't encode to MP3. [ 119 ] ** [21.25%]
Modern codecs: AAC, Vorbis, MPC etc...
~64 kbps or less [ 12 ] ** [2.14%]
~80-96 kbps [ 22 ] ** [3.93%]
~128 kbps [ 59 ] ** [10.54%]
~160 kbps [ 71 ] ** [12.68%]
~192 kbps [ 84 ] ** [15.00%]
~225 kbps [ 39 ] ** [6.96%]
~256 kbps [ 63 ] ** [11.25%]
~320 kbps [ 21 ] ** [3.75%]
More than 320 kbps [ 33 ] ** [5.89%]
I don't use modern codecs. [ 156 ] ** [27.86%]
Total Votes: 718
  
IgorC
post May 25 2009, 21:05
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It will be interesting and maybe usefull to see what bitrates people use mostly for different generation codecs like MP3, AAC, Vorbis etc.


I understand I post this poll in wrong subforum as I haven't rights to create poll in Poll section. Please, don't remove this interesing poll.

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Daemon7
post Jul 14 2009, 19:29
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V2

I don't use newer codecs.

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According to the quality vs. file size chart on the wiki page for LAME, V2 is not much lower quality than CBR 320 but massively smaller file size. In fact, it seems to be the best you can do before you start sacrificing more quality for smaller file size reductions.

As for newer codecs, the advantages they offer are fairly dubious, not well supported in most hardware, and they seem to mainly be trying to lure you into more heavily patented codecs (WMA/AAC) or into a religious war over licensing. (Ogg Vorbis).

Really I don't care about newer codecs for those reasons, Lame is a great MP3 encoder, there's plenty of open source decoders, and all hardware supports it, MP3 is probably the most open and universally supported codec there is despite the few lingering patents that have already started expiring that only *some* countries recognize.

People that use "black box" codecs like WMA just bewilder me. wink.gif
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QUOTE (Daemon7 @ Jul 14 2009, 12:29) *
As for newer codecs, the advantages they offer are fairly dubious, not well supported in most hardware...


I don't want to start a war or anything but this statement is technically false. Why? Most portable hardware (that is currently out there and being sold) is taken up by iPods and iPhones. They are 100% AAC compatible. Even Microsoft and Sony are jumping on the AAC board which means that only a few companies are left behind (mainly SanDisk as they don't support AAC in all of their portables and Insignia, Creative has made AAC compatible players for awhile now). Now, once iPods stop taking up over 70% of the market share (ie less than 50%), then that statement will become true. Additionally, support for AAC is growing in other hardware areas. There are over a handful of DVD players at Best Buy that support them, many Blu-ray players, car CD decks, every current generation home console, and every current generation portable console (ie DSi and PSP) all support AAC files.

Sure, AAC may not offer the same "across the board" compatibility that mp3 does but I wouldn't say that the AAC community is being "dubious" especially considering the constantly growing range of devices that can playback AAC files.
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QUOTE (kornchild2002 @ Jul 14 2009, 18:52) *
QUOTE (Daemon7 @ Jul 14 2009, 12:29) *
As for newer codecs, the advantages they offer are fairly dubious, not well supported in most hardware...


I don't want to start a war or anything but this statement is technically false. Why? Most portable hardware (that is currently out there and being sold) is taken up by iPods and iPhones. They are 100% AAC compatible. Even Microsoft and Sony are jumping on the AAC board which means that only a few companies are left behind (mainly SanDisk as they don't support AAC in all of their portables and Insignia, Creative has made AAC compatible players for awhile now). Now, once iPods stop taking up over 70% of the market share (ie less than 50%), then that statement will become true. Additionally, support for AAC is growing in other hardware areas. There are over a handful of DVD players at Best Buy that support them, many Blu-ray players, car CD decks, every current generation home console, and every current generation portable console (ie DSi and PSP) all support AAC files.

Sure, AAC may not offer the same "across the board" compatibility that mp3 does but I wouldn't say that the AAC community is being "dubious" especially considering the constantly growing range of devices that can playback AAC files.


From what I've seen, the current Lame 3.99 tree has already tied up a lot of the loose ends and bugs left in 3.98.x.

MP3 is as resilient as it is because of exactly the reasons that "should" kill it off, you're right that it's not the "newest" or "best", but from what I've seen, the guys behind MPEG-4 AAC are being far more litigious over it than they have been over MP3, the patent issue is even more of a minefield, Apple still to the best of my knowledge tries to sell inferior quality files with proprietary DRM on their standard price level that won't work on anything *but* an iPod.

Also, every device supports MP3, and while technically AAC support is growing, there's not that many legal ways to buy files from online stores in it. I think iTunes is still the only ones selling it, and at a 30-40% pricing premium over what the typical music store charges per track if you want it in the same quality without DRM.

The fact remains that AAC is not widely accepted among users, that M4P may as well be a DRM'd WMA, that even Apple themselves admitted that 97% of the files on an iPod were MP3 files that didn't come from iTunes. (And I'd really like to know how they got those numbers without spying on their customers), and for whatever reason the market is still demanding MP3. WMA, AAC, and Ogg Vorbis are fighting over the scraps, and in that order.

A true ISO-standard AAC file that was acquired legitimately is still very much a rarity unless you ripped them yourself, then you come across the fact that there are no good options for encoding them. You can choose FAAC which is sub-par, or you can use Nero or iTunes and depend entirely on the whims and licensing of the people that make that encoder. With WMA, there is only one thing that can encode them properly.

The fact is that the industry has made a damned mess, Microsoft has a totally non-standard black box format, Ogg Vorbis may very well violate patents in some countries, and there is no heir-apparent to MP3, only a tower of babel, with MP3 as a lowest common denominator. rolleyes.gif Maybe if Apple, Microsoft, Real, the MPEG group, and the RIAA had been just a tad less greedy, instead of acting like sharks and trying to stab the end user in the back and then go after each other once there was blood in the water.... tongue.gif
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- IgorC   What bitrate do you use?   May 25 2009, 21:05
- - Brent   I use FLAC mostly, but in order to get stuff playi...   May 25 2009, 21:25
|- - KlAudio   QUOTE (Brent @ May 25 2009, 22:25) I use ...   May 26 2009, 09:57
- - GeSomeone   It is maybe confusing to put MPC with AAC and Vorb...   May 25 2009, 22:31
- - ManekiNeko   QUOTE (GeSomeone @ May 25 2009, 22:31) It...   May 26 2009, 01:21
- - Alexxander   The first question can be answered easily but not ...   May 26 2009, 09:45
- - memomai   MPC, Vorbis and AAc should be voted seperately. ...   May 26 2009, 10:52
- - LANjackal   I'm surprised this thread hasn't been hose...   May 26 2009, 21:27
- - gorgekko   Voted MP3 and V0. With my tin can ears I could pro...   May 27 2009, 01:11
- - tuxman   "MP3" vs "modern codecs like MPC...   May 27 2009, 03:58
- - The Seeker   LAME V5.   May 27 2009, 16:48
|- - Mark7   I only use mp3 for my portable with settings -V5 f...   May 28 2009, 08:40
- - rudefyet   I tend to want all my music to be the same bitrate...   May 28 2009, 09:40
- - hazumi-san   I used aac for my nokia and the setting I use is v...   May 28 2009, 10:50
- - Kitsuned   Lame mp3 -V3 (siggy could have told you that ) A...   May 28 2009, 12:11
- - acedriver   Lame V0   May 29 2009, 04:32
- - Centauri   I rip to AAC @ 320 VBR via Max. It yields some pre...   Jun 9 2009, 17:23
- - C.R.Helmrich   MP3 -Vx or 320 kbps? That's all the options I ...   Jun 9 2009, 22:46
|- - PaJaRo   QUOTE (C.R.Helmrich @ Jun 9 2009, 23:46) ...   Jun 9 2009, 23:05
|- - C.R.Helmrich   QUOTE (PaJaRo @ Jun 10 2009, 00:05) Why d...   Jun 10 2009, 08:58
|- - PaJaRo   QUOTE (C.R.Helmrich @ Jun 10 2009, 09:58)...   Jun 10 2009, 15:46
- - Rio   After a very long exhaustive search for my sweet s...   Jun 10 2009, 02:27
- - The_Cisco_Kid   My current settings are Wavpack Hybrid with the 16...   Jun 10 2009, 05:36
- - kornchild2002   There are some cases where people come across hard...   Jun 10 2009, 15:59
- - kinnerful   the second poll result looks like a bell curve to ...   Jul 11 2009, 18:24
|- - uart   QUOTE (kinnerful @ Jul 11 2009, 10:24) th...   Jul 11 2009, 18:49
- - Daemon7   V2 I don't use newer codecs. --- According ...   Jul 14 2009, 19:29
|- - kornchild2002   QUOTE (Daemon7 @ Jul 14 2009, 12:29) As f...   Jul 14 2009, 23:52
|- - Daemon7   QUOTE (kornchild2002 @ Jul 14 2009, 18:52...   Jul 15 2009, 22:49
|- - rpp3po   QUOTE (Daemon7 @ Jul 15 2009, 23:49) MP3 ...   Jul 15 2009, 23:43
||- - Daemon7   QUOTE (rpp3po @ Jul 15 2009, 18:43) QUOTE...   Jul 16 2009, 00:47
|- - kornchild2002   Both greynol and rpp3po pointed out some very good...   Jul 16 2009, 00:42
|- - Daemon7   QUOTE (kornchild2002 @ Jul 15 2009, 19:42...   Jul 16 2009, 00:54
|- - kornchild2002   QUOTE (Daemon7 @ Jul 15 2009, 17:54) No, ...   Jul 16 2009, 17:07
|- - Daemon7   QUOTE (kornchild2002 @ Jul 16 2009, 12:07...   Jul 16 2009, 17:31
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- - audioaficionado   EAC 0.99a5 -> Wavpack 4.50 lossless for home pl...   Jul 15 2009, 01:43
- - antman   Why are you guys even going at it with this guy? ...   Jul 16 2009, 01:00
- - /mnt   Hardware support for AAC is growing mainly because...   Jul 16 2009, 01:24
|- - Daemon7   QUOTE (/mnt @ Jul 15 2009, 20:24) Hardwar...   Jul 16 2009, 02:53
|- - /mnt   QUOTE (Daemon7 @ Jul 16 2009, 02:53) You ...   Jul 16 2009, 03:19
|- - rpp3po   QUOTE (Daemon7 @ Jul 16 2009, 03:53) Fran...   Jul 16 2009, 03:31
|- - Daemon7   QUOTE (rpp3po @ Jul 15 2009, 22:31) And y...   Jul 16 2009, 05:30
|- - rpp3po   QUOTE (Daemon7 @ Jul 16 2009, 06:30) No, ...   Jul 16 2009, 11:56
|- - cpchan   QUOTE (rpp3po @ Jul 16 2009, 06:56) Ogg V...   Jul 16 2009, 13:55
|- - Daemon7   QUOTE (cpchan @ Jul 16 2009, 08:55) QUOTE...   Jul 16 2009, 15:05
- - greynol   QUOTE (Daemon7 @ Jul 15 2009, 16:47) ...   Jul 16 2009, 01:30
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- - Larson   Flac for archiving and Nero true VBR AAC q 0.95 fo...   Jul 16 2009, 11:09
- - jmcguckin   it's amazing how a thread could start off aski...   Aug 18 2009, 15:37
|- - kornchild2002   QUOTE (jmcguckin @ Aug 18 2009, 08:37) it...   Aug 18 2009, 22:50
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- - bug80   - FLAC for archiving. - MP3 V4 for my portable pla...   Oct 11 2009, 10:01
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- - GeneV   - For archiving I use Flac -8 (could be 5, too; bu...   Oct 12 2009, 00:12
- - Acid Pants   FLAC for archive here too. For modern codecs I ch...   Oct 19 2009, 21:50
- - randal1013   wavpack for archive/PC library. nero aac ~125kbps...   Oct 25 2009, 17:54
- - A_Day_Without_Me   I rip to flac and listen to my flac's on the c...   Oct 25 2009, 19:25
- - davidos   320 kpbs CBR mps. Cos I'm insane. :-) All l...   Oct 30 2009, 08:46
|- - davidos   QUOTE (davidos @ Oct 30 2009, 20:46) 320 ...   Oct 30 2009, 11:36
- - gameplaya15143   FLAC for new CD Rips since I don't have the sp...   Nov 1 2009, 04:38
- - Cokemonkey11   QUOTE (rudefyet @ May 28 2009, 01:40) I t...   Nov 1 2009, 07:32
- - NeoRenegade   V2 for most material, V6 for some for which qualit...   Nov 1 2009, 08:35
- - Hatredcopter   I mostly use V0 or 320 and FLAC on modern codecs   Nov 10 2009, 14:21
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- - Gornot   I have never used MP3 in my life. From the very st...   Dec 26 2009, 10:52
- - Steve Forte Rio   FLAC -8 / TAK -p4m on PC LAME 3.98.2 -V2 / NERO A...   Dec 26 2009, 12:19
- - Yuna   FLAC -5, some in -8 for archiving purpose (Ripped ...   Jun 6 2010, 00:10
- - shadowking   Archiving / Transcoding: Wavpack lossy @ 415 k -fx...   Jun 6 2010, 02:27
- - plonk420   LAME V1 forced stereo (unless i think the music is...   Jun 6 2010, 12:04
- - Irakli   Nowadays, I use AAC with VBR ~256 kbps (on average...   Jun 6 2010, 12:58
- - origami   Mostly I use Apple Lossless,but occasionally I enc...   Aug 2 2010, 09:58
- - Steve Forte Rio   I think that ~200 kbps is best choice for psychoac...   Aug 2 2010, 11:23
- - jimmanningjr   My first post !!! Well... I use F...   Aug 11 2010, 09:02
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- - david.lisb   MP3 V0 & Flac -8   Sep 15 2010, 17:13
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- - Sorrow   I mostly use FLAC   Feb 16 2011, 16:40


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