Interesting Papers re temporal resolution |
Interesting Papers re temporal resolution |
Jul 25 2009, 07:27
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Jul 28 2009, 19:46
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If I may grossly oversimplify your argument Axon, you're partially arguing that he's choosing an extreme edge case to test. However, if his intent is to map the boundaries of audibility, wouldn't an edge case be acceptable? I find the conclusion that ultrasonics are perceptible fascinating, and if he's found a case in which they actually are audible, should we not hear it out? Even though it does not represent most cases, if they are truly audible in this case, isn't that worth considering?
As an archivist, I want transparency in all cases, so I don't have to worry about the edge cases. That's why I use FLAC and not MP3. If there is any case where 44.1kHz is not sufficient, isn't that worth devising solutions for? -------------------- (atrix|(fb2k->e-mu 0404 usb|audio 8 dj))->hd280|jvc ha-fx35-b
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Jul 28 2009, 21:08
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As an archivist, I want transparency in all cases, so I don't have to worry about the edge cases. That's why I use FLAC and not MP3. If there is any case where 44.1kHz is not sufficient, isn't that worth devising solutions for? I think his results are really interesting, but to an archivist, they're not relevant until they're shown to apply to something approaching actual audio. After all if you just want to store square waves, you shouldn't be using PCM in the first place because of its nasty requirement that signals be band limited . . . |
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Jul 29 2009, 05:48
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I think his results are really interesting, but to an archivist, they're not relevant until they're shown to apply to something approaching actual audio. After all if you just want to store square waves, you shouldn't be using PCM in the first place because of its nasty requirement that signals be band limited . . . …Because other sampling methods don't require band-limited signals? For archival purposes there is a decent argument for going beyond redbook "just in case" ... Perhaps the lizard people who will take over the earth after we nuke ourselves will have decent ultra-sonic hearing and want the full experience? |
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ncdrawl Interesting Papers re temporal resolution Jul 25 2009, 07:27
rpp3po I'm not sure wether they have actually tested ... Jul 25 2009, 13:17
Ethan Winer Nice to see this topic here where it can be discus... Jul 25 2009, 18:26
hellokeith from the link:
QUOTE Our recent behavioral studies... Jul 25 2009, 20:39
C.R.Helmrich QUOTE (hellokeith @ Jul 25 2009, 21:39) D... Jul 25 2009, 22:09

rpp3po QUOTE (C.R.Helmrich @ Jul 25 2009, 23:09)... Jul 25 2009, 22:28

Woodinville QUOTE (rpp3po @ Jul 25 2009, 14:28) Well,... Jul 28 2009, 09:27
John_Siau From the first paragraph at: www.physics.sc.edu/ku... Jul 31 2009, 19:16
andy_c QUOTE (John_Siau @ Jul 31 2009, 12:16) Th... Jul 31 2009, 21:30
hellokeith Well after reading through the first 3 PDF's a... Jul 26 2009, 01:24
Axon Don't even bother using a square wave generato... Jul 28 2009, 02:55
rpp3po Yes, I asked myself why Adobe would even include s... Jul 28 2009, 03:06
Mike Giacomelli I only skimmed the paper, but IIRC tried a digital... Jul 28 2009, 03:31
Canar Now the WAV files won't load in foobar2000... ... Jul 28 2009, 03:51
rpp3po QUOTE (Canar @ Jul 28 2009, 04:51) These ... Jul 28 2009, 11:37
lvqcl QUOTE (rpp3po @ Jul 28 2009, 14:37) Could... Jul 28 2009, 12:52
Mike Giacomelli QUOTE (rpp3po @ Jul 28 2009, 06:37) Could... Jul 28 2009, 15:58
Nick.C Why not just just create a 7.35kHz square wave ... Jul 28 2009, 13:13
benski QUOTE (Nick.C @ Jul 28 2009, 08:13) Why n... Jul 31 2009, 15:39
2Bdecided QUOTE (benski @ Jul 31 2009, 15:39) QUOTE... Jul 31 2009, 16:33
benski QUOTE (2Bdecided @ Jul 31 2009, 11:33) QU... Jul 31 2009, 16:39
Axon Because that places unacceptable restrictions on t... Jul 28 2009, 16:12
Axon QUOTE (Canar @ Jul 28 2009, 13:46) If I m... Jul 28 2009, 20:14

andy_c I'd like to add a few comments regarding the ... Jul 29 2009, 16:52

Axon QUOTE (andy_c @ Jul 29 2009, 10:52) I... Jul 29 2009, 17:11

andy_c QUOTE (Axon @ Jul 29 2009, 10:11) Well, g... Jul 29 2009, 17:27
Mike Giacomelli QUOTE (NullC @ Jul 29 2009, 00:48) QUOTE ... Jul 29 2009, 16:19
Axon So, on that note.... an off topic comment. I just ... Jul 29 2009, 17:01
Canar QUOTE (Axon @ Jul 29 2009, 09:01) So, on ... Jul 29 2009, 18:18
krabapple It may well be that Dr. Kunchur's audio work i... Jul 29 2009, 17:04
kode54 Where did you come up with that 1.45GHz figure? Th... Jul 29 2009, 20:22
Axon Well, I'm thinking more specifically of the th... Jul 29 2009, 20:41
Audible! QUOTE (ncdrawl @ Jul 30 2009, 23:07) QUOT... Jul 31 2009, 08:36
2Bdecided Yes, I see it now (having tried it!), it's... Jul 31 2009, 17:13
John_Siau From the summary paragraph in "Audibility of ... Jul 31 2009, 19:37
Axon QUOTE (John_Siau @ Jul 31 2009, 13:37) Fr... Jul 31 2009, 21:28
John_Siau QUOTE (Axon @ Jul 31 2009, 16:28) That se... Jul 31 2009, 22:15
WernerO QUOTE (Axon @ Jul 31 2009, 21:28) Dr. Kun... Aug 1 2009, 06:46
2Bdecided QUOTE (Axon @ Jul 31 2009, 21:28) That se... Aug 1 2009, 08:24
rpp3po I'm just coming back from vacation. Thanks for... Aug 2 2009, 17:42
Arnold B. Krueger QUOTE (rpp3po @ Aug 2 2009, 12:42) But un... Aug 3 2009, 01:24
rpp3po QUOTE (Arnold B. Krueger @ Aug 3 2009, 02... Aug 3 2009, 01:42
ncdrawl QUOTE (rpp3po @ Aug 2 2009, 20:42) QUOTE ... Aug 3 2009, 04:59
krabapple QUOTE (ncdrawl @ Aug 2 2009, 23:59) QUOTE... Aug 3 2009, 07:57
WernerO QUOTE (ncdrawl @ Aug 3 2009, 04:59) Dr. K... Aug 3 2009, 08:52

Axon QUOTE (WernerO @ Aug 3 2009, 02:52) QUOTE... Aug 3 2009, 19:02


honestguv QUOTE (Axon @ Aug 3 2009, 20:02) BTW, I f... Aug 3 2009, 19:35

ncdrawl QUOTE (WernerO @ Aug 3 2009, 03:52) we do... Aug 8 2009, 00:03
honestguv > Dr. Kunchur will be posting confutations in f... Aug 3 2009, 08:54
andy_c Regarding my earlier post about the lack of second... Aug 3 2009, 17:34
benski I need to do further reading to do a full refutati... Aug 3 2009, 20:10
benski Also, for his FAQ example of two peaks separated b... Aug 3 2009, 20:24
WernerO QUOTE (benski @ Aug 3 2009, 21:24) two pe... Aug 3 2009, 20:56

Axon QUOTE (WernerO @ Aug 3 2009, 14:56) QUOTE... Aug 3 2009, 21:04

benski QUOTE (WernerO @ Aug 3 2009, 15:56) QUOTE... Aug 3 2009, 21:22


WernerO QUOTE (benski @ Aug 3 2009, 22:22) Please... Aug 4 2009, 08:11


benski QUOTE (WernerO @ Aug 4 2009, 03:11) QUOTE... Aug 4 2009, 14:34

honestguv QUOTE (WernerO @ Aug 3 2009, 21:56) But t... Aug 3 2009, 21:47

benski QUOTE (honestguv @ Aug 3 2009, 16:47) QUO... Aug 3 2009, 22:04

honestguv QUOTE (benski @ Aug 3 2009, 23:04) They a... Aug 3 2009, 22:49
2Bdecided QUOTE (benski @ Aug 3 2009, 20:24) Also, ... Aug 3 2009, 22:05
Canar I just had a random thought about this and I wante... Aug 4 2009, 02:41
andy_c Well, the 4.7us time constant does decrease the le... Aug 4 2009, 02:57
andy_c Here's another thing I noticed in his test app... Aug 4 2009, 14:23

Arnold B. Krueger QUOTE (andy_c @ Aug 4 2009, 09:23) Here... Aug 13 2009, 12:56
Pio2001 Hello, I've just read the first and third arti... Apr 18 2010, 23:07
C.R.Helmrich QUOTE (Pio2001 @ Apr 19 2010, 00:07) Ther... Apr 18 2010, 23:56
Arnold B. Krueger QUOTE (Pio2001 @ Apr 18 2010, 18:07) QUOT... Apr 19 2010, 14:49
ultrasonic QUOTE (rpp3po @ Aug 3 2009, 02:42) QUOTE ... Jan 2 2010, 05:09
Woodinville QUOTE (ultrasonic @ Jan 1 2010, 20:09) QU... Jan 2 2010, 05:28

ultrasonic QUOTE (Woodinville @ Jan 2 2010, 06:28) Q... Jan 2 2010, 05:41

Arnold B. Krueger QUOTE (ultrasonic @ Jan 1 2010, 23:41) QU... Jan 2 2010, 06:15
Arnold B. Krueger QUOTE (ultrasonic @ Jan 1 2010, 23:09) QU... Jan 2 2010, 06:01
ultrasonic QUOTE (Arnold B. Krueger @ Jan 2 2010, 07... Jan 2 2010, 06:37
Arnold B. Krueger QUOTE (ultrasonic @ Jan 2 2010, 00:37) QU... Jan 2 2010, 06:52
Woodinville QUOTE (ultrasonic @ Jan 1 2010, 21:37) Op... Jan 2 2010, 10:29

Arnold B. Krueger QUOTE (Woodinville @ Jan 2 2010, 04:29) B... Jan 2 2010, 13:24
krabapple QUOTE (ultrasonic @ Jan 2 2010, 00:37) Op... Jan 3 2010, 06:43
Woodinville It is interesting to note that now the same people... Jun 15 2010, 19:31
Arnold B. Krueger QUOTE (Woodinville @ Jun 15 2010, 14:31) ... Jun 16 2010, 11:09
Paulhoff QUOTE (Woodinville @ Jun 15 2010, 14:31) ... Jun 16 2010, 12:33![]() ![]() |
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