Interesting Papers re temporal resolution |
Interesting Papers re temporal resolution |
Jul 25 2009, 07:27
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Jan 2 2010, 05:09
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Nobody seems to be able to do it. Instead, all we get are these abstract tests like Kunchur's, involving some most definately non-musical waveforms with questionable relevance and inconclusive results. I agree. Not a single positive result in a decade is simple but mortgageable evidence. Does this count?: http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showpost.ph...mp;postcount=28 |
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Jan 2 2010, 05:28
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Nobody seems to be able to do it. Instead, all we get are these abstract tests like Kunchur's, involving some most definately non-musical waveforms with questionable relevance and inconclusive results. I agree. Not a single positive result in a decade is simple but mortgageable evidence. Does this count?: http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showpost.ph...mp;postcount=28 Perhaps you might detail the testing setup and apparatus, and the length of the test for us? -------------------- -----
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Jan 2 2010, 05:41
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Nobody seems to be able to do it. Instead, all we get are these abstract tests like Kunchur's, involving some most definately non-musical waveforms with questionable relevance and inconclusive results. I agree. Not a single positive result in a decade is simple but mortgageable evidence. Does this count?: http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showpost.ph...mp;postcount=28 Perhaps you might detail the testing setup and apparatus, and the length of the test for us? The links to the study are on that page, but here they are directly: http://www.ocf.berkeley.edu/~ashon/a...ltrasonics.htm http://jn.physiology.org/cgi/reprint/83/6/3548 |
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Jan 2 2010, 06:15
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Nobody seems to be able to do it. Instead, all we get are these abstract tests like Kunchur's, involving some most definately non-musical waveforms with questionable relevance and inconclusive results. I agree. Not a single positive result in a decade is simple but mortgageable evidence. Does this count?: http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showpost.ph...mp;postcount=28 Perhaps you might detail the testing setup and apparatus, and the length of the test for us? The links to the study are on that page, but here they are directly: http://www.ocf.berkeley.edu/~ashon/a...ltrasonics.htm This link appears to be broken. The correct link appears to be: http://www.ocf.berkeley.edu/~ashon/audio/Ultrasonics.htm This appears to be a year 2000 summary of the well-known Boyk paper that only documents the allready well-known existence of ultrasonic harmonics from musical instruments. "This completely different paradigm for digital audio recording (SACD) does away with the anti-alias filters needed for PCM (CD and DVD-A) analogue waveform reconstruction. Preliminary reports in the audiophile community indicate that SACD has a natural quality of sound that DVD-A has yet to demonstrate. Ironically, one of the descriptions of SACD, this radically new digital format, is that it sounds "like analogue", meaning like LPs, ancient technology. (LPs i.e. vinyl records are associated with having smooth, relaxing presentations, that while sometimes not as impressive per audiophile standards, nevertheless can offer perfectly enjoyable music. The same is not always true, and in fact is seldom true, for CDs.)" This is not evidence, it is supposition. Furthermore, the article contains errors of fact, some that were known to be errors when it was written, others that have come to light since it was written. QUOTE This is the oft-debunked Oohashi paper. This post has been edited by Arnold B. Krueger: Jan 2 2010, 06:44 |
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ncdrawl Interesting Papers re temporal resolution Jul 25 2009, 07:27
rpp3po I'm not sure wether they have actually tested ... Jul 25 2009, 13:17
Ethan Winer Nice to see this topic here where it can be discus... Jul 25 2009, 18:26
hellokeith from the link:
QUOTE Our recent behavioral studies... Jul 25 2009, 20:39
C.R.Helmrich QUOTE (hellokeith @ Jul 25 2009, 21:39) D... Jul 25 2009, 22:09

rpp3po QUOTE (C.R.Helmrich @ Jul 25 2009, 23:09)... Jul 25 2009, 22:28

Woodinville QUOTE (rpp3po @ Jul 25 2009, 14:28) Well,... Jul 28 2009, 09:27
John_Siau From the first paragraph at: www.physics.sc.edu/ku... Jul 31 2009, 19:16
andy_c QUOTE (John_Siau @ Jul 31 2009, 12:16) Th... Jul 31 2009, 21:30
hellokeith Well after reading through the first 3 PDF's a... Jul 26 2009, 01:24
Axon Don't even bother using a square wave generato... Jul 28 2009, 02:55
rpp3po Yes, I asked myself why Adobe would even include s... Jul 28 2009, 03:06
Mike Giacomelli I only skimmed the paper, but IIRC tried a digital... Jul 28 2009, 03:31
Canar Now the WAV files won't load in foobar2000... ... Jul 28 2009, 03:51
rpp3po QUOTE (Canar @ Jul 28 2009, 04:51) These ... Jul 28 2009, 11:37
lvqcl QUOTE (rpp3po @ Jul 28 2009, 14:37) Could... Jul 28 2009, 12:52
Mike Giacomelli QUOTE (rpp3po @ Jul 28 2009, 06:37) Could... Jul 28 2009, 15:58
Nick.C Why not just just create a 7.35kHz square wave ... Jul 28 2009, 13:13
benski QUOTE (Nick.C @ Jul 28 2009, 08:13) Why n... Jul 31 2009, 15:39
2Bdecided QUOTE (benski @ Jul 31 2009, 15:39) QUOTE... Jul 31 2009, 16:33
benski QUOTE (2Bdecided @ Jul 31 2009, 11:33) QU... Jul 31 2009, 16:39
Axon Because that places unacceptable restrictions on t... Jul 28 2009, 16:12
Canar If I may grossly oversimplify your argument Axon, ... Jul 28 2009, 19:46
Axon QUOTE (Canar @ Jul 28 2009, 13:46) If I m... Jul 28 2009, 20:14

andy_c I'd like to add a few comments regarding the ... Jul 29 2009, 16:52

Axon QUOTE (andy_c @ Jul 29 2009, 10:52) I... Jul 29 2009, 17:11

andy_c QUOTE (Axon @ Jul 29 2009, 10:11) Well, g... Jul 29 2009, 17:27
Mike Giacomelli QUOTE (Canar @ Jul 28 2009, 14:46) As an ... Jul 28 2009, 21:08
NullC QUOTE (Mike Giacomelli @ Jul 28 2009, 12... Jul 29 2009, 05:48
Mike Giacomelli QUOTE (NullC @ Jul 29 2009, 00:48) QUOTE ... Jul 29 2009, 16:19
Axon So, on that note.... an off topic comment. I just ... Jul 29 2009, 17:01
Canar QUOTE (Axon @ Jul 29 2009, 09:01) So, on ... Jul 29 2009, 18:18
krabapple It may well be that Dr. Kunchur's audio work i... Jul 29 2009, 17:04
kode54 Where did you come up with that 1.45GHz figure? Th... Jul 29 2009, 20:22
Axon Well, I'm thinking more specifically of the th... Jul 29 2009, 20:41
Audible! QUOTE (ncdrawl @ Jul 30 2009, 23:07) QUOT... Jul 31 2009, 08:36
2Bdecided Yes, I see it now (having tried it!), it's... Jul 31 2009, 17:13
John_Siau From the summary paragraph in "Audibility of ... Jul 31 2009, 19:37
Axon QUOTE (John_Siau @ Jul 31 2009, 13:37) Fr... Jul 31 2009, 21:28
John_Siau QUOTE (Axon @ Jul 31 2009, 16:28) That se... Jul 31 2009, 22:15
WernerO QUOTE (Axon @ Jul 31 2009, 21:28) Dr. Kun... Aug 1 2009, 06:46
2Bdecided QUOTE (Axon @ Jul 31 2009, 21:28) That se... Aug 1 2009, 08:24
rpp3po I'm just coming back from vacation. Thanks for... Aug 2 2009, 17:42
Arnold B. Krueger QUOTE (rpp3po @ Aug 2 2009, 12:42) But un... Aug 3 2009, 01:24
rpp3po QUOTE (Arnold B. Krueger @ Aug 3 2009, 02... Aug 3 2009, 01:42
ncdrawl QUOTE (rpp3po @ Aug 2 2009, 20:42) QUOTE ... Aug 3 2009, 04:59
krabapple QUOTE (ncdrawl @ Aug 2 2009, 23:59) QUOTE... Aug 3 2009, 07:57
WernerO QUOTE (ncdrawl @ Aug 3 2009, 04:59) Dr. K... Aug 3 2009, 08:52

Axon QUOTE (WernerO @ Aug 3 2009, 02:52) QUOTE... Aug 3 2009, 19:02


honestguv QUOTE (Axon @ Aug 3 2009, 20:02) BTW, I f... Aug 3 2009, 19:35

ncdrawl QUOTE (WernerO @ Aug 3 2009, 03:52) we do... Aug 8 2009, 00:03
honestguv > Dr. Kunchur will be posting confutations in f... Aug 3 2009, 08:54
andy_c Regarding my earlier post about the lack of second... Aug 3 2009, 17:34
benski I need to do further reading to do a full refutati... Aug 3 2009, 20:10
benski Also, for his FAQ example of two peaks separated b... Aug 3 2009, 20:24
WernerO QUOTE (benski @ Aug 3 2009, 21:24) two pe... Aug 3 2009, 20:56

Axon QUOTE (WernerO @ Aug 3 2009, 14:56) QUOTE... Aug 3 2009, 21:04

benski QUOTE (WernerO @ Aug 3 2009, 15:56) QUOTE... Aug 3 2009, 21:22


WernerO QUOTE (benski @ Aug 3 2009, 22:22) Please... Aug 4 2009, 08:11


benski QUOTE (WernerO @ Aug 4 2009, 03:11) QUOTE... Aug 4 2009, 14:34

honestguv QUOTE (WernerO @ Aug 3 2009, 21:56) But t... Aug 3 2009, 21:47

benski QUOTE (honestguv @ Aug 3 2009, 16:47) QUO... Aug 3 2009, 22:04

honestguv QUOTE (benski @ Aug 3 2009, 23:04) They a... Aug 3 2009, 22:49
2Bdecided QUOTE (benski @ Aug 3 2009, 20:24) Also, ... Aug 3 2009, 22:05
Canar I just had a random thought about this and I wante... Aug 4 2009, 02:41
andy_c Well, the 4.7us time constant does decrease the le... Aug 4 2009, 02:57
andy_c Here's another thing I noticed in his test app... Aug 4 2009, 14:23

Arnold B. Krueger QUOTE (andy_c @ Aug 4 2009, 09:23) Here... Aug 13 2009, 12:56
Pio2001 Hello, I've just read the first and third arti... Apr 18 2010, 23:07
C.R.Helmrich QUOTE (Pio2001 @ Apr 19 2010, 00:07) Ther... Apr 18 2010, 23:56
Arnold B. Krueger QUOTE (Pio2001 @ Apr 18 2010, 18:07) QUOT... Apr 19 2010, 14:49
Arnold B. Krueger QUOTE (ultrasonic @ Jan 1 2010, 23:09) QU... Jan 2 2010, 06:01
ultrasonic QUOTE (Arnold B. Krueger @ Jan 2 2010, 07... Jan 2 2010, 06:37
Arnold B. Krueger QUOTE (ultrasonic @ Jan 2 2010, 00:37) QU... Jan 2 2010, 06:52
Woodinville QUOTE (ultrasonic @ Jan 1 2010, 21:37) Op... Jan 2 2010, 10:29

Arnold B. Krueger QUOTE (Woodinville @ Jan 2 2010, 04:29) B... Jan 2 2010, 13:24
krabapple QUOTE (ultrasonic @ Jan 2 2010, 00:37) Op... Jan 3 2010, 06:43
Woodinville It is interesting to note that now the same people... Jun 15 2010, 19:31
Arnold B. Krueger QUOTE (Woodinville @ Jun 15 2010, 14:31) ... Jun 16 2010, 11:09
Paulhoff QUOTE (Woodinville @ Jun 15 2010, 14:31) ... Jun 16 2010, 12:33![]() ![]() |
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