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Vinyl to PC rip, need a cartridge & stylus for a 1210
blueacid
post Jan 17 2010, 16:30
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Hey all, first post so sorry if I'm missing any key info for you.

My father's 1970s Bang & Olufsen hifi turntable needle has worn out. Sadly, due to how B&O made the thing it's required to replace both the cartridge and needle; currently the only ones he can find are over $300. He's taken this as a good reason to perform a final play of his records, transferring them to computer.

Worn needle aside, his hifi's line out (well, the line-out pins on the DIN 5-pin tape 2 connector!) is at a supremely low level, and is mostly a sea of noise. We then looked at some of the ~100 turntable and USB sound card combos, as sold by Maplin etc with the sole purpose of performing a final play, they looked more like toys!


So, we looked at what equipment we did have. I'm able to borrow a Technics 1210 turntable from a DJ friend of mine, however as he's a scratch DJ his cartridge and needles aren't really suitable. I've got an old Yamaha A-520 amplifier, which has an inbuilt phono stage, and an M-Audio Audiophile 2496 sound card with line level phono ins/outs. Once on the computer, there's Cubase SX5.


QUESTION IS: What sort of cartridge and needle would I need to do an alright final rip? The records have been played rather a lot, and some have scratches on them - they've not been that well loved. Cleaned dry on an "oh that looks dusty" basis, rather than regularly. The genre is mostly classical or folk; there's Simon and Garfunkel at the top of the stack of records i'm due to copy, with Fleetwood mac below, giving you some idea of genre.

Any suggestions or advice greatly received. I've never owned a record deck before, so to say I'm a beginner when it comes to actually setting up a record deck is an understatement!

I took a look on the AVForums, and only one poster replied offering the suggestion of the Ortofon Concorde Arkiv Cartridge, at 85 from decks.co.uk.
Would this be what you would recommend? Or can you think of a better plan for this circumstance!
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RonaldDumsfeld
post Jan 20 2010, 01:05
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I've actually done what you propose to do using a Technics 1210.

It took a couple goes to get it right so I was happy with the results and I am grateful for the help and advice I received via this forum.

I tried a number of cartridges. Both Hi Fi and DJ.

Hi Fi gave the best quality results imo.
DJ gives the most forgiving sound but you might get more bass and less treble than you want. That includes not just with the standard Stanton 500AL (30) but also the more expensive Trackmaster (~75).

For everyday listening use I have a MC Denon DL103 (~100). This is a really old design with a spherical tip but I like the warm cashmere and wood sound it has. Like listening to R4. It used to be a broadcast cartridge in the 6Ts so I like to convince myself it's what old vinyl records are supposed to sound like. Doesn't work well for this job though. Not enough detail.

I got best results from Audio Technica 440MLa (~140). Modern special elliptical stylus gives better results for archiving. Much brighter at the top end. However it is maybe above your price range and tends to 'spit' on less than perfect vinyl.

So I'd recommend you follow Axon's advice and get a AT 95E (~40). Many commentators say 1210s have a slightly dull or recessed character (designed for high levels) so a bright cartridge is a good match.

But if the vinyl is really not much cop any more and cleaning will cost more than you want to spend then just buy a new stylus for the cartridge already fitted (~20).

Hope that helps. good luck and have fun. tongue.gif
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Coldacre
post Mar 29 2010, 05:07
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QUOTE (RonaldDumsfeld @ Jan 20 2010, 11:05) *
I got best results from Audio Technica 440MLa (~140). Modern special elliptical stylus gives better results for archiving. Much brighter at the top end. However it is maybe above your price range and tends to 'spit' on less than perfect vinyl.


correction; it's a MicroLinear stylus, not elliptical. it will track better than pretty much every cartridge this side of $200. it tracks beautifully on worn records at it rides lower in the groove than an elliptical or spherical.

too late for me to recommend this to the OP, oh well, good luck!
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- blueacid   Vinyl to PC rip, need a cartridge & stylus for a 1210   Jan 17 2010, 16:30
- - Axon   Sound-Smith does sell a B&O compatible cartrid...   Jan 17 2010, 22:56
- - gd0t   do not be fooled by numark usb.. if ure gonna do a...   Jan 17 2010, 23:40
- - Axon   Yeah, DJ carts in and of themselves do not mutilat...   Jan 18 2010, 02:19
|- - johnsonlam   QUOTE (Axon @ Jan 18 2010, 09:19) Some hi...   Jan 18 2010, 04:47
|- - 2Bdecided   QUOTE (Axon @ Jan 18 2010, 01:19) The mor...   Jan 18 2010, 10:46
- - johnsonlam   QUOTE (blueacid @ Jan 17 2010, 23:30) QUE...   Jan 18 2010, 04:43
|- - cliveb   QUOTE (johnsonlam @ Jan 18 2010, 03:43) 4...   Jan 18 2010, 10:29
- - DVDdoug   To me, the most important thing is cleaning-up the...   Jan 18 2010, 20:35
|- - maggior   QUOTE (DVDdoug @ Jan 18 2010, 15:35) And ...   Jan 20 2010, 04:43
|- - 2Bdecided   QUOTE (maggior @ Jan 20 2010, 03:43) Some...   Jan 20 2010, 10:41
- - RonaldDumsfeld   I've actually done what you propose to do usin...   Jan 20 2010, 01:05
|- - Coldacre   QUOTE (RonaldDumsfeld @ Jan 20 2010, 11:0...   Mar 29 2010, 05:07
- - blueacid   Hey everyone - thanks for all the advice received ...   Jan 23 2010, 00:46
|- - Shaped Dither   QUOTE (blueacid @ Jan 22 2010, 16:46) I p...   Jan 23 2010, 03:09
|- - cliveb   QUOTE (blueacid @ Jan 22 2010, 23:46) As ...   Jan 23 2010, 12:39
- - blueacid   QUOTE (maggior @ Jan 20 2010, 03:43) QUOT...   Jan 23 2010, 00:50
- - blueacid   QUOTE (cliveb @ Jan 23 2010, 11:39) Had a...   Jan 23 2010, 14:51
- - blueacid   Right, the AT-95E has been ordered. Hopefully will...   Jan 26 2010, 00:47


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