-V2 gives way too high bitrate!?! |
-V2 gives way too high bitrate!?! |
Mar 29 2010, 16:48
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I use dbpoweramp and I encode flac tracks to LAME 3.98r -V2. Usually this results in ~170 to ~220 kbps files (close to 192kbps CBR quality)
Well, not so for 2 As I Lay Dying albums that I have (think REALLY LOUD metal). When I encode those I get 230-270 kbps and of course the resulting files are quite big. My question is: is this a bug or completely natural? Furthermore (if it's not a bug), isn't it just better to encode in 192kbps and get a smaller file, since that's the quality I was going for anyway? Cheers |
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Mar 31 2010, 11:52
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-Y is still 'experimental'. It was never supposed to be used by non-developers. This is what Dibrom once said. I think these matters are too technical and will never be fully understood.
Another way to look at it is that the original --alt-preset design was get quality 1st THEN reduce bitrate if possible. APS -Y sorta fits it but not really - you are telling it that bitrate is more important (in the context of sacrificing HF quality) . Preset medium took this even further to get a lower bitrate (sacrifice HF + more aggressive ATH) By using V2~v0 -Y you are putting yourself into quality is important but bitrate comes 1st. That is against the original design. You are sacrificing something. So V3 is targeting the old APS -Y user by giving a level between APS (V2) and medium (V4). That is more or less what APS -Y did in the old days. |
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masterridley -V2 gives way too high bitrate!?! Mar 29 2010, 16:48
dv1989 Natural. VBR targets quality, not bitrate. Loud me... Mar 29 2010, 16:52
dsimcha QUOTE (dv1989 @ Mar 29 2010, 11:52) Natur... Mar 29 2010, 16:56
[JAZ] metal (being loud and "noisy"*) kicks on... Mar 29 2010, 17:06
masterridley Damn! That's what I suspected too (compres... Mar 29 2010, 17:07
robert You could update to LAME 3.98.4, as previous 3.98 ... Mar 29 2010, 17:13
pdq QUOTE (masterridley @ Mar 29 2010, 11:48)... Mar 29 2010, 17:14
dv1989 QUOTE (pdq)If you really want the best quality whi... Mar 29 2010, 17:24
masterridley QUOTE (JAZ)Two ways to workaround (workaround not ... Mar 29 2010, 17:26
greynol -Y does not cut content above 16k; it is not a low... Mar 29 2010, 17:43
lvqcl QUOTE Regarding -Y, doesn't it kick in with -V... Mar 29 2010, 18:06
Aleron Ives I hate to continue discussion about -Y since it se... Mar 30 2010, 04:59
greynol QUOTE (Aleron Ives @ Mar 29 2010, 20:59) ... Mar 30 2010, 05:20
Aleron Ives QUOTE (greynol @ Mar 29 2010, 20:20) QUOT... Mar 30 2010, 05:48
shadowking I suggest not to fiddle with -Y . If you want a lo... Mar 30 2010, 11:10
Aleron Ives QUOTE (shadowking @ Mar 30 2010, 02:10) I... Mar 30 2010, 23:38
[JAZ] I am preparing to put this on the wiki (but my use... Mar 30 2010, 12:03
benski very short version: -Y switch makes LAME not encod... Mar 30 2010, 17:35
greynol It was not too long and is well worth reading, ben... Mar 30 2010, 17:42
benski QUOTE (greynol @ Mar 30 2010, 11:42) It w... Mar 30 2010, 17:44
greynol I hope you caught my edits above since I think you... Mar 30 2010, 17:55
[JAZ] I would like an answer from robert, or someone tha... Mar 31 2010, 10:25
Aleron Ives QUOTE ([JAZ] @ Mar 31 2010, 02:25... Mar 31 2010, 10:53
robert QUOTE ([JAZ] @ Mar 31 2010, 11:25... Mar 31 2010, 12:33
Aleron Ives I would like to thank robert for explaining the co... Mar 31 2010, 23:58
[JAZ] Thanks robert. I've used your explanations as ... Mar 31 2010, 13:16
Ajax The original poster "masterridley" (a ne... Mar 31 2010, 14:16
robert global gain: is the global quantization step size ... Mar 31 2010, 14:25
pdq @[JAZ]
You might also point out that for older fo... Mar 31 2010, 14:47
shadowking We should not be recommending or documenting -Y un... Mar 31 2010, 14:53
dv1989 QUOTE (Knowledgebase)LAME Y SWITH
Surely I needn... Mar 31 2010, 15:04
[JAZ] DOH!
I saw something strange in that, but i d... Mar 31 2010, 20:45
dv1989 The spelling was one thing. Also, it may not matte... Mar 31 2010, 21:09
shadowking This is still going back to my point. Users don... Apr 1 2010, 10:49
Aleron Ives QUOTE (shadowking @ Apr 1 2010, 02:49) Th... Apr 1 2010, 11:18
greynol QUOTE (shadowking @ Apr 1 2010, 02:49) Us... Apr 1 2010, 18:28
[JAZ] Robert, can you comment on this line of the articl... Apr 1 2010, 11:22
robert QUOTE If global gain is zero, resolution will need... Apr 1 2010, 11:37
[JAZ] Talk about failing to read...
I didn't ful... Apr 1 2010, 13:39![]() ![]() |
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