Advanced ABX, New cross-platform ABX application |
Advanced ABX, New cross-platform ABX application |
May 1 2010, 21:39
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Advanced ABX
No currently available ABX application is able to switch without audible transients between tracks. The resulting clicks and pops can both increase the number of false positive and false negative results. The former happens, when the type of clicking correlates to the type of switch: A/A or A/B. False negatives become more probable, when loud clicks desensitize your hearing or keep you from turning up the volume to more revealing listening levels. Advanced ABX provides transient-free switching! Other exclusive features:
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Screenshot: ![]() Notes: I could only test on a Mac, yet, where it works flawlessly. Please report wether it also works on other platforms. Input is currently WAV only, and the files must have identical format and length. The program is basically able to work with all PCM integer bit depths up to 32 bit, but in practice one is limited by ones specific JRE's capabilities. Java on the Mac, for example, is limited to 16 bit. High sample rates should not be a problem anywhere. The back-end already supports looping, it just isn't implemented in the GUI code, yet. The source code is going to be released later on. Please don't drown me in feature requests, actual code submits are much preferred. Download: Go here. This post has been edited by googlebot: May 1 2010, 21:53 |
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Jun 3 2010, 11:13
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Group: Developer Posts: 618 Joined: 6-December 08 From: Erlangen Germany Member No.: 64012 |
Hi googlebot,
just read this thread for the first time. Was away from HA for the last few weeks due to the same reasons as Alex. Thanks very much for your work! I work in Fraunhofer's audio coding department, and I can tell you that artifact-free switching in a blind test software makes testing much easier. However: QUOTE AA is basically just a tool with feature completeness already in sight. One may add a couple of automatic decoding filters, maybe automatic track alignment (encoding delay correction) a more complete UI and that's about it. Sorry, but that's incorrect. Think of all the things that could go wrong. For example, what if the compared WAV files have differing
These and Alex's feature description regarding segmenting and looping (which I strongly support) are only some of the features that would attract interest away from ABC-HR and the foobar plug-in to your software. Here is another thing which hardly anyone talks about on this forum but which I'd like you to consider. The scientific community has been using the MUSHRA test methodology in the evaluation of audio codecs for years. It's also used for the majority of internal tests at Fraunhofer. I disagree that it's only useful for "intermediate audio quality". I successfully used it for AAC tests between 160 and 256 kbps stereo (for example, with less than 10 listeners, it revealed that a particular codec was not transparent at 256 kbps). Take a look at the screenshot in this thread on the RateIt tool written by Jean-Marc Valin. Fraunhofer uses a self-made MUSHRA tool for testing (no, sorry, can't share it), which looks very similar to RateIt but has the additional feature of looped playback, with hotkeys for setting loop start and end points for faster changing of loops during playback. Send me a PM if you'd like to know further details. Why don't you consider turning your AA tool into a MUSHRA tool? Artifact-free switching is just as important for MUSHRA as it is for ABX! I'm not surprised that nobody contributed any code to your project so far. It's much less work asking for improvements than implementing them Best, Chris -------------------- If I don't reply to your reply, it means I agree with you.
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googlebot Advanced ABX May 1 2010, 21:39
2E7AH I'm not ABX fan, but downloaded file and tried... May 2 2010, 03:23
lvqcl BTW, foobar2000 approach (A B X Y tracks) makes A... May 2 2010, 08:39
googlebot QUOTE (lvqcl @ May 2 2010, 09:39) BTW, fo... May 2 2010, 11:37
googlebot I have added the source code here.
Developers, wh... May 2 2010, 17:35
Synthetic Soul Initial Remarks:
1. "Transition Lenght... May 2 2010, 19:00
soundberg QUOTE (Synthetic Soul @ May 2 2010, 20:00... May 2 2010, 19:25
googlebot QUOTE (soundberg @ May 2 2010, 20:25) Als... May 2 2010, 21:24

2thumbs QUOTE (googlebot @ May 2 2010, 13:24) Abo... May 3 2010, 00:27
Kees de Visser QUOTE (soundberg @ May 2 2010, 20:25) Fad... May 3 2010, 09:01
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googlebot QUOTE (solive @ May 29 2010, 20:42) I dow... May 30 2010, 00:31
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krabapple QUOTE (solive @ May 31 2010, 00:30) I jus... Jun 1 2010, 19:17


Arnold B. Krueger QUOTE (krabapple @ Jun 1 2010, 14:17) QUO... Jun 2 2010, 13:41

Arnold B. Krueger QUOTE (solive @ May 31 2010, 00:30) QUOTE... Jun 2 2010, 12:00
Kees de Visser QUOTE (googlebot @ May 30 2010, 01:31) I ... May 31 2010, 13:01
Arnold B. Krueger QUOTE (googlebot @ May 29 2010, 19:31) I ... Jun 1 2010, 14:49
googlebot Well, I could let the output buffers never fill ab... May 2 2010, 23:13
lvqcl WinXP with Eastern language support installed: pla... May 3 2010, 08:48
googlebot Does the new output buffer circumvention cause cli... May 3 2010, 21:36
Sebastian Mares The new binary you posted doesn't want to star... May 3 2010, 23:00
googlebot Fixed files are online. May 4 2010, 00:37
solive I applaud the development of a cross-platform ABX ... May 29 2010, 19:49
Emon Anyone who claims that ABX isn't scientific do... May 31 2010, 17:34
[JAZ] You ask why there is so little attention to this?
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googlebot QUOTE ([JAZ] @ May 31 2010, 19:56... Jun 1 2010, 15:19
[JAZ] QUOTE (googlebot @ Jun 1 2010, 16:19) Thi... Jun 1 2010, 19:50
Alex B googlebot,
First I would like to thank you for yo... Jun 1 2010, 20:29
2E7AH if this thread is going to spread in general ABX t... Jun 2 2010, 00:37
bilbo @googlebot
It is going to be very hard to get peo... Jun 3 2010, 14:51
googlebot @bilbo
I'm not interested in "How to boo... Jun 3 2010, 16:52
krmathis QUOTE (googlebot @ Jun 1 2010, 15:19) Cur... Jun 8 2010, 17:51
Billytheonion I have been using this on OS X http://emptymusic.c... Jun 8 2010, 19:13![]() ![]() |
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