Does Replay gain work differtly in Media monkey, Foobar and Media Monkey given 2 differnt Results |
Does Replay gain work differtly in Media monkey, Foobar and Media Monkey given 2 differnt Results |
 Sep 3 2010, 02:57
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Hey Anyone,
For the past 2 years I have been using Media Monkey to Organize and play my music collection which is now about 42,000 tracks about 75% of my collection has Replay gain Values....I am making the switch over to Foobar2000 and was about to replay gain the other 25% with it (Foobar) when I discovered that for the same album I was getting 2 different values...and it is making me wonder does Media Monkey use a different algorithm or is there something I am overlooking...both are set to tag by ALBUM with the track value put in there also. Here are my results:  Miles Davis /Jack Johnson Soundtrack/  Trk1 Right Off -FOOBAR--Album Gain -1.97db Trk Gain -2.49db Trk 2 Yesternow-FOOBAR Album Gain -1.97db Trk Gain -0.87db Trk 1 Right Off Media monkey--Album Vol=-7.9db Trk Vol= -8.4db Trk 2 Yesternow Media Monkey--Album Vol= -7.9db Trk Vol= - 6.8db Could someone shed some light on this for me. Thank You |
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Sep 4 2010, 17:45
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There is REPLAYGAIN_REFERENCE_LEVEL which was initiated by Josh Coalson.
http://www.hydrogenaudio.org/forums/index....showtopic=46245 David touched upon this just yesterday saying it was a bad idea: http://www.hydrogenaudio.org/forums/index....st&p=721226 I have to agree. Notat, by using numbers against your ad-hoc reference, it is you who has broken replaygain. Take this from someone who normalizes everything to 92dB prior to encoding. If you were to scan my collection you would see that my album gain would be -3dB. Playing these albums back in a RG-compliant player would bring the level down so they play at the standard reference of 89dB. If you wish to use something else you use a preamp setting. If you're worried about clipping with dynamic music, use the option that gives you clipping prevention. If your player doesn't provide these options then request that they get added or find one that does. More links on the matter: http://www.hydrogenaudio.org/forums/index....showtopic=67823 http://www.hydrogenaudio.org/forums/index....showtopic=76562 My take on this discussion is that MM has been unknowingly configured to give a different result, MM has a broken implementation (which I doubt), or apples are being compared with oranges because of different masterings or possible differences in HDCD decoding (as krabapple is alluding). This post has been edited by greynol: Sep 4 2010, 18:22 -------------------- Everything sounds the same until it is proven otherwise.
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Sep 4 2010, 20:15
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Group: Members Posts: 33 Joined: 5-August 10 From: Philly Pa USA Member No.: 82832 |
QUOTE (greynol @ Sep 4 2010, 12:45)  There is REPLAYGAIN_REFERENCE_LEVEL which was initiated by Josh Coalson. http://www.hydrogenaudio.org/forums/index....showtopic=46245 David touched upon this just yesterday saying it was a bad idea: http://www.hydrogenaudio.org/forums/index....st&p=721226 I have to agree. Notat, by using numbers against your ad-hoc reference, it is you who has broken replaygain. Take this from someone who normalizes everything to 92dB prior to encoding. If you were to scan my collection you would see that my album gain would be -3dB. Playing these albums back in a RG-compliant player would bring the level down so they play at the standard reference of 89dB. If you wish to use something else you use a preamp setting. If you're worried about clipping with dynamic music, use the option that gives you clipping prevention. If your player doesn't provide these options then request that they get added or find one that does. More links on the matter: http://www.hydrogenaudio.org/forums/index....showtopic=67823 http://www.hydrogenaudio.org/forums/index....showtopic=76562 My take on this discussion is that MM has been unknowingly configured to give a different result, MM has a broken implementation (which I doubt), or apples are being compared with oranges because of different masterings or possible differences in HDCD decoding (as krabapple is alluding). Well I just found out that "Sound track to the film Jack Johnson" is one of those HDCD's that is HDCD but they don't tell you like "TIME OUT" by Brubeck...both on Columbia Legacy HMMMMMMM......!!! That explains the -6db ..But I am also sure that I have had others come back with a differing level... I do not have the time right now to test and post the results...I will try to get to that later today... Thanks for everyones interest..not a day goes by that I don't learn some thing new on this forum. 
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jimmanningjr Does Replay gain work differtly in Media monkey Sep 3 2010, 02:57
klonuo perhaps your MM target level is set on 89-6 dB
Ed... Sep 3 2010, 03:06
jimmanningjr QUOTE (klonuo @ Sep 2 2010, 22:06) perhap... Sep 3 2010, 06:20 2Bdecided It certainly looks like a 6dB offset you're se... Sep 3 2010, 10:43 krabapple QUOTE (jimmanningjr @ Sep 2 2010, 21:57) ... Sep 4 2010, 04:27 Notat I've seen this too and was wondering if it is ... Sep 4 2010, 17:34 Notat QUOTE (greynol @ Sep 4 2010, 10:45) Notat... Sep 6 2010, 03:16 greynol QUOTE (Notat @ Sep 5 2010, 19:16) I'd... Sep 6 2010, 04:36 Notat QUOTE (greynol @ Sep 5 2010, 21:36) QUOTE... Sep 6 2010, 22:49 Teknojnky QUOTE (Notat @ Sep 5 2010, 20:16) MediaMo... Sep 7 2010, 16:48 Notat QUOTE (Teknojnky @ Sep 7 2010, 09:48) QUO... Sep 8 2010, 02:40 Alex B Assuming you want to have universally compatible r... Sep 5 2010, 19:36 2Bdecided I've downloaded Media Monkey for the first tim... Sep 6 2010, 11:02 Notat QUOTE (2Bdecided @ Sep 6 2010, 04:02) So,... Sep 6 2010, 23:02 chrisjj QUOTE (2Bdecided @ Sep 6 2010, 11:02) MM ... Sep 8 2010, 02:50 2Bdecided QUOTE (chrisjj @ Sep 8 2010, 02:50) QUOTE... Sep 8 2010, 07:38 chrisjj QUOTE (2Bdecided @ Sep 8 2010, 07:38) If ... Sep 9 2010, 00:54 2Bdecided Notat,
Maybe I didn't make it clear, so let m... Sep 7 2010, 09:37 Notat Thanks for the clarification. What is throwing me ... Sep 7 2010, 15:59 2Bdecided QUOTE (Notat @ Sep 7 2010, 15:59) when I ... Sep 7 2010, 16:45 chrisjj QUOTE (Notat @ Sep 7 2010, 15:59) What is... Sep 8 2010, 02:47 greynol Can we have an update to the site so that this doe... Sep 8 2010, 07:51 2Bdecided Not from me.
It either needs to stay as it is (an... Sep 8 2010, 10:28 2Bdecided It was a proposed standard in July 2001.
I think ... Sep 9 2010, 11:13 chrisjj Thanks David for that explanation.
QUOTE (2Bdecid... Sep 9 2010, 12:05 chrisjj QUOTE (chrisjj @ Sep 9 2010, 12:05) QUOTE... Sep 10 2010, 01:26 2Bdecided Well, maybe somebody can do that.
http://www.yout... Sep 9 2010, 12:55 chrisjj Agreed, but still if people want to take this forw... Sep 9 2010, 13:05 jimmanningjr QUOTE (2Bdecided @ Sep 9 2010, 07:55) Wel... Sep 14 2010, 00:43 load97 I had to register here to say thank as well! I... Oct 13 2010, 08:30 2Bdecided QUOTE (load97 @ Oct 13 2010, 08:30) ... c... Oct 13 2010, 10:27 |
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