Wavpack Lossy Quality, As good as OGG, MPC or AAC? |
Wavpack Lossy Quality, As good as OGG, MPC or AAC? |
Apr 17 2003, 11:59
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QUOTE WavPack (352/448 kbps) lossy for HQ lossy encodings and transcoding LAME 3.90.2 (by Dibrom) --alt-preset extreme -Z --lowpass 21 or --alt-preset insane --lowpass 21 for my mp3s MP2 384 kbps stereo for the classical music on my portable MusePack 1.15r --insane --xlevel for archiving on CDs Is he right in using WavPack, as opposed to MPC? Something tells me the higher the bitrate, the more he likes it - There isn't an MP2 encoder as well tuned as Lame, and cranking the bitrate up to 384 isnt going to make the encoder more 'tuned'. And MPC insane / MP3 APX are virtually unnecessary overkills too; YMMV. -------------------- http://www.megalev.co.uk
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Apr 21 2003, 19:34
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QUOTE (rjamorim @ Apr 21 2003 - 06:15 PM) have you tried doing the inverse with APE+MPC to see if the result is really the same as the original wav? Yes. There were 72 last significant bit errors. I think that it was because of the difference between two files going over 16 bit treshold at these positions. I also agree that the whole process is very clumsy. rjamorim According to den, mpc at --quality 5 sounded transparent to him, and wavpack's lossy encoding at 352 kbps didn't. That's what I mean by "decreased transparency". I didn't perform any listening tests myself. Edit: using a simple utility that subtracts wavs and gives bit-identical results, diff.ape increases by only 24 bytes, so the results are essentially the same. This post has been edited by Moneo: Apr 21 2003, 20:00 |
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Lev Wavpack Lossy Quality Apr 17 2003, 11:59
budgie Lev:
Hahaha... you are very, but very witty pet. ... Apr 17 2003, 12:03
Garf I don't know - what MP2 encoder do you use and... Apr 17 2003, 12:14
Jan S. First of all a lowpass at 21KHz is insane. Most mo... Apr 17 2003, 12:30
westgroveg Very original, I don't ever recall some one st... Apr 17 2003, 12:33
Lev QUOTE The normal lowpass the presets use should be... Apr 17 2003, 12:38
Garf QUOTE (westgroveg @ Apr 17 2003 - 01:33 PM)Ed... Apr 17 2003, 12:50
Lev QUOTE It will be interesting to see the results MP... Apr 17 2003, 13:54
budgie QUOTE (Jan S. @ Apr 17 2003 - 03:30 AM)First ... Apr 17 2003, 14:22
budgie QUOTE (westgroveg @ Apr 17 2003 - 03:33 AM)It... Apr 17 2003, 14:34
Lev QUOTE Most modern crappy-shitty CD players maybe c... Apr 17 2003, 14:57
Garf QUOTE Most modern crappy-shitty CD players maybe c... Apr 17 2003, 15:02
Garf Specifically:
QUOTE Once the quality exceeds what... Apr 17 2003, 15:10
budgie QUOTE (Lev @ Apr 17 2003 - 05:57 AM)--bah..... Apr 17 2003, 15:11
Lev QUOTE Stop repeat BS you read here and there on th... Apr 17 2003, 15:17
Garf QUOTE Dear Lev, it really doesn't matter, if y... Apr 17 2003, 15:18
budgie Garf:
QUOTE Last I looked, MPC at standard level ... Apr 17 2003, 15:35
Garf QUOTE If you read carefully, I wrote (Not in the s... Apr 17 2003, 15:47
Garf QUOTE I tested a lot with Vorbis 1.0 at -q4 and th... Apr 17 2003, 15:51
Lev QUOTE Why was SACD or DVD-A developed?
Companies a... Apr 17 2003, 15:53
westgroveg I may be wrong but doesn't SACD & DVD-A al... Apr 17 2003, 16:11
guruboolez And better spatial restitution (multichannel) Apr 17 2003, 16:14
Garf QUOTE I may be wrong but doesn't SACD & DV... Apr 17 2003, 16:19
Ardax QUOTE (Garf @ Apr 17 2003 - 11:19 AM)QUOTE
E... Apr 17 2003, 16:32
Messer QUOTE (Garf @ Apr 17 2003 - 03:47 PM)But you ... Apr 17 2003, 17:28
bryant QUOTE (Lev @ Apr 17 2003 - 03:38 AM)Where can... Apr 17 2003, 18:33
john33 QUOTE (Lev @ Apr 17 2003 - 11:38 AM)Where can... Apr 17 2003, 19:58
floyd Anyone else sick of of sigs with lists of favorite... Apr 17 2003, 21:46
Mac Back to the original question... how good is Wavpa... Apr 17 2003, 22:29
den @floyd
I know what you are saying, but I find havi... Apr 18 2003, 05:10
den Me again.
I've been doing some further testin... Apr 18 2003, 08:39
JohnV Thanks for the interesting reports, den. Apr 18 2003, 09:12
rjamorim I thank you too. I find listening tests with WavPa... Apr 18 2003, 17:28
den OK, some follow up comments about this rather uniq... Apr 21 2003, 11:14
Peter Harris QUOTE (den @ Apr 21 2003 - 05:14 AM)1. Origin... Apr 21 2003, 17:41
Moneo I did a little test to see how wavpack hybride mod... Apr 21 2003, 18:09
rjamorim I would believe Den used settings where codecs bec... Apr 21 2003, 18:10
sony666 QUOTE (Peter Harris @ Apr 21 2003 - 05:41 PM)... Apr 21 2003, 18:11
rjamorim @moneo: have you tried doing the inverse with APE+... Apr 21 2003, 18:15
rjamorim QUOTE (Moneo @ Apr 21 2003 - 03:34 PM)rjamori... Apr 21 2003, 22:22
den Just to clarify a few things -
Yes, I chose the m... Apr 21 2003, 22:54
den OK, just snuck in two more test tracks, the same s... Apr 22 2003, 01:40
rjamorim Great! Truly great. Thanks a lot for your test... Apr 22 2003, 01:49
den @Moneo
Sorry for not respondng earlier. I probabl... Apr 22 2003, 05:42
bryant QUOTE (den @ Apr 21 2003 - 01:54 PM)Wavpack d... Apr 22 2003, 05:55
hans-jürgen QUOTE (den @ Apr 22 2003 - 06:42 AM)As far as... Apr 22 2003, 14:22
den hans-jürgen wrote
QUOTE I don't mean to spoil ... Apr 22 2003, 14:56
Mac I have wanted to test this out myself, but sadly I... Apr 22 2003, 15:43
den Mac,
I can't comment on the Winamp plug-in as... Apr 22 2003, 16:06
rjamorim QUOTE (den @ Apr 22 2003 - 12:06 PM)Very conv... Apr 22 2003, 16:15
den @ rjamorim
1. As far as I can tell, you can't... Apr 23 2003, 02:05
rjamorim QUOTE (den @ Apr 22 2003 - 10:05 PM)2. I foll... Apr 23 2003, 02:16
den I do know a few things about C programming actuall... Apr 23 2003, 04:37
KikeG Den, I suggest that if you do further testing, you... Apr 23 2003, 08:04
den Thanks KikeG.
Apart from the tests I've poste... Apr 23 2003, 08:38
Lev Just Failed to ABX WavPack @ 320 with flying colou... Apr 23 2003, 21:41
den QUOTE I had absolutely no idea what I was looking ... Apr 24 2003, 01:51
den I couldn't resist trying wavpack with some of ... Apr 25 2003, 01:22
guruboolez Tried with castanet2.wav file :
255 kbps (mesure... Apr 25 2003, 02:56
den Thanks for your post guruboolez.
It's good to... Apr 25 2003, 03:16
Delirium Thanks for the results; they're very interesti... Apr 25 2003, 04:15
budgie I think it's really good that I could contribu... Apr 25 2003, 12:39
2Bdecided This is a very interesting thread. One interesting... Apr 25 2003, 14:11
Garf Just for the record, shorten has a lossy mode too. Apr 25 2003, 14:39
HansHeijden Here is that tread again David, with posts about l... Apr 25 2003, 15:02
Garf QUOTE (den @ Apr 25 2003 - 02:22 AM)I'm t... Apr 25 2003, 15:29
Garf QUOTE (budgie @ Apr 25 2003 - 01:39 PM), but ... Apr 25 2003, 15:36
2Bdecided QUOTE (HansHeijden @ Apr 25 2003 - 02:02 PM)H... Apr 25 2003, 15:47
budgie QUOTE (Garf @ Apr 25 2003 - 06:36 AM)It's... Apr 25 2003, 15:53
HansHeijden Hmm, it seems the lossy ape dll (from may 2001, ve... Apr 25 2003, 19:07
JohnV QUOTE (budgie @ Apr 25 2003 - 02:39 PM)For my... Apr 25 2003, 19:19
bryant First of all, I'd like to thank everyone who h... Apr 25 2003, 20:14
guruboolez QUOTE (bryant @ Apr 25 2003 - 08:14 PM)Also, ... Apr 25 2003, 20:45
HansHeijden Bryant, I made a lossy ape of your sample, and mad... Apr 25 2003, 20:55
JohnV LOL.. now bryant is dragged to the lossy quality b... Apr 25 2003, 21:44
HansHeijden Bryant, the -j1 switch you mention indeed gives mu... Apr 25 2003, 22:47
Dibrom QUOTE (budgie @ Apr 25 2003 - 07:53 AM)QUOTE ... Apr 26 2003, 00:14
bryant Guruboolez:
I tried to find that sample but could... Apr 26 2003, 00:49
guruboolez Here is the sample, compressed by a simple but imp... Apr 26 2003, 01:04
den @HansHeijden
Thanks for making me aware of the los... Apr 26 2003, 10:16
den Just did a quick and dirty ABX test of wavpack los... Apr 26 2003, 10:51
bryant Guruboolez:
Thanks for the sample. I didn't r... Apr 28 2003, 21:19
den Thanks for the info bryant.
I concur that the joi... Apr 29 2003, 01:23![]() ![]() |
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