Wavpack Lossy Quality, As good as OGG, MPC or AAC? |
Wavpack Lossy Quality, As good as OGG, MPC or AAC? |
 Apr 17 2003, 11:59
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I note that a certain pet bird has the signature line
QUOTE WavPack (352/448 kbps) lossy for HQ lossy encodings and transcoding LAME 3.90.2 (by Dibrom) --alt-preset extreme -Z --lowpass 21 or --alt-preset insane --lowpass 21 for my mp3s MP2 384 kbps stereo for the classical music on my portable MusePack 1.15r --insane --xlevel for archiving on CDs Is he right in using WavPack, as opposed to MPC? Something tells me the higher the bitrate, the more he likes it - There isn't an MP2 encoder as well tuned as Lame, and cranking the bitrate up to 384 isnt going to make the encoder more 'tuned'. And MPC insane / MP3 APX are virtually unnecessary overkills too; YMMV. -------------------- http://www.megalev.co.uk
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Apr 25 2003, 19:07
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Hmm, it seems the lossy ape dll (from may 2001, version 3.89) can't work any more under monkey's audio 3.97. But fortunately MAC 3.92b2 is still online: http://www.monkeysaudio.com/files/MAC_392b2_F.exe
Well, the fact that you'll need to uninstall, install again etc. will ensure only the very motivated here want to go through this! So here is the lossy macdll.dll and winamp plugin: http://web.inter.nl.net/users/hvdh/MAC_Test_01.zip Check the readme.txt first. At startup you'll read "Invalid DLL Version" but then just click OK and continue. Remember it's slow and forever unsupported. Please don't bug Matt about this! Personally, I'm just curious if wavpack has actually improved in the meantime. Hans This post has been edited by HansHeijden: Apr 25 2003, 19:17 |
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Lev Wavpack Lossy Quality Apr 17 2003, 11:59
budgie Lev:
Hahaha... you are very, but very witty pet. ... Apr 17 2003, 12:03 Garf I don't know - what MP2 encoder do you use and... Apr 17 2003, 12:14 Jan S. First of all a lowpass at 21KHz is insane. Most mo... Apr 17 2003, 12:30 westgroveg Very original, I don't ever recall some one st... Apr 17 2003, 12:33 Lev QUOTE The normal lowpass the presets use should be... Apr 17 2003, 12:38 Garf QUOTE (westgroveg @ Apr 17 2003 - 01:33 PM)Ed... Apr 17 2003, 12:50 Lev QUOTE It will be interesting to see the results MP... Apr 17 2003, 13:54 budgie QUOTE (Jan S. @ Apr 17 2003 - 03:30 AM)First ... Apr 17 2003, 14:22 budgie QUOTE (westgroveg @ Apr 17 2003 - 03:33 AM)It... Apr 17 2003, 14:34 Lev QUOTE Most modern crappy-shitty CD players maybe c... Apr 17 2003, 14:57 Garf QUOTE Most modern crappy-shitty CD players maybe c... Apr 17 2003, 15:02 Garf Specifically:
QUOTE Once the quality exceeds what... Apr 17 2003, 15:10 budgie QUOTE (Lev @ Apr 17 2003 - 05:57 AM)--bah..... Apr 17 2003, 15:11 Lev QUOTE Stop repeat BS you read here and there on th... Apr 17 2003, 15:17 Garf QUOTE Dear Lev, it really doesn't matter, if y... Apr 17 2003, 15:18 budgie Garf:
QUOTE Last I looked, MPC at standard level ... Apr 17 2003, 15:35 Garf QUOTE If you read carefully, I wrote (Not in the s... Apr 17 2003, 15:47 Garf QUOTE I tested a lot with Vorbis 1.0 at -q4 and th... Apr 17 2003, 15:51 Lev QUOTE Why was SACD or DVD-A developed?
Companies a... Apr 17 2003, 15:53 westgroveg I may be wrong but doesn't SACD & DVD-A al... Apr 17 2003, 16:11 guruboolez And better spatial restitution (multichannel) Apr 17 2003, 16:14 Garf QUOTE I may be wrong but doesn't SACD & DV... Apr 17 2003, 16:19 Ardax QUOTE (Garf @ Apr 17 2003 - 11:19 AM)QUOTE
E... Apr 17 2003, 16:32 Messer QUOTE (Garf @ Apr 17 2003 - 03:47 PM)But you ... Apr 17 2003, 17:28 bryant QUOTE (Lev @ Apr 17 2003 - 03:38 AM)Where can... Apr 17 2003, 18:33 john33 QUOTE (Lev @ Apr 17 2003 - 11:38 AM)Where can... Apr 17 2003, 19:58 floyd Anyone else sick of of sigs with lists of favorite... Apr 17 2003, 21:46 Mac Back to the original question... how good is Wavpa... Apr 17 2003, 22:29 den @floyd
I know what you are saying, but I find havi... Apr 18 2003, 05:10 den Me again.
I've been doing some further testin... Apr 18 2003, 08:39 JohnV Thanks for the interesting reports, den. Apr 18 2003, 09:12 rjamorim I thank you too. I find listening tests with WavPa... Apr 18 2003, 17:28 den OK, some follow up comments about this rather uniq... Apr 21 2003, 11:14 Peter Harris QUOTE (den @ Apr 21 2003 - 05:14 AM)1. Origin... Apr 21 2003, 17:41 Moneo I did a little test to see how wavpack hybride mod... Apr 21 2003, 18:09 rjamorim I would believe Den used settings where codecs bec... Apr 21 2003, 18:10 sony666 QUOTE (Peter Harris @ Apr 21 2003 - 05:41 PM)... Apr 21 2003, 18:11 rjamorim @moneo: have you tried doing the inverse with APE+... Apr 21 2003, 18:15 Moneo QUOTE (rjamorim @ Apr 21 2003 - 06:15 PM)have... Apr 21 2003, 19:34 rjamorim QUOTE (Moneo @ Apr 21 2003 - 03:34 PM)rjamori... Apr 21 2003, 22:22 den Just to clarify a few things -
Yes, I chose the m... Apr 21 2003, 22:54 den OK, just snuck in two more test tracks, the same s... Apr 22 2003, 01:40 rjamorim Great! Truly great. Thanks a lot for your test... Apr 22 2003, 01:49 den @Moneo
Sorry for not respondng earlier. I probabl... Apr 22 2003, 05:42 bryant QUOTE (den @ Apr 21 2003 - 01:54 PM)Wavpack d... Apr 22 2003, 05:55 hans-jürgen QUOTE (den @ Apr 22 2003 - 06:42 AM)As far as... Apr 22 2003, 14:22 den hans-jürgen wrote
QUOTE I don't mean to spoil ... Apr 22 2003, 14:56 Mac I have wanted to test this out myself, but sadly I... Apr 22 2003, 15:43 den Mac,
I can't comment on the Winamp plug-in as... Apr 22 2003, 16:06 rjamorim QUOTE (den @ Apr 22 2003 - 12:06 PM)Very conv... Apr 22 2003, 16:15 den @ rjamorim
1. As far as I can tell, you can't... Apr 23 2003, 02:05 rjamorim QUOTE (den @ Apr 22 2003 - 10:05 PM)2. I foll... Apr 23 2003, 02:16 den I do know a few things about C programming actuall... Apr 23 2003, 04:37 KikeG Den, I suggest that if you do further testing, you... Apr 23 2003, 08:04 den Thanks KikeG.
Apart from the tests I've poste... Apr 23 2003, 08:38 Lev Just Failed to ABX WavPack @ 320 with flying colou... Apr 23 2003, 21:41 den QUOTE I had absolutely no idea what I was looking ... Apr 24 2003, 01:51 den I couldn't resist trying wavpack with some of ... Apr 25 2003, 01:22 guruboolez Tried with castanet2.wav file :
255 kbps (mesure... Apr 25 2003, 02:56 den Thanks for your post guruboolez.
It's good to... Apr 25 2003, 03:16 Delirium Thanks for the results; they're very interesti... Apr 25 2003, 04:15 budgie I think it's really good that I could contribu... Apr 25 2003, 12:39 2Bdecided This is a very interesting thread. One interesting... Apr 25 2003, 14:11 Garf Just for the record, shorten has a lossy mode too. Apr 25 2003, 14:39 HansHeijden Here is that tread again David, with posts about l... Apr 25 2003, 15:02 Garf QUOTE (den @ Apr 25 2003 - 02:22 AM)I'm t... Apr 25 2003, 15:29 Garf QUOTE (budgie @ Apr 25 2003 - 01:39 PM), but ... Apr 25 2003, 15:36 2Bdecided QUOTE (HansHeijden @ Apr 25 2003 - 02:02 PM)H... Apr 25 2003, 15:47 budgie QUOTE (Garf @ Apr 25 2003 - 06:36 AM)It's... Apr 25 2003, 15:53 JohnV QUOTE (budgie @ Apr 25 2003 - 02:39 PM)For my... Apr 25 2003, 19:19 bryant First of all, I'd like to thank everyone who h... Apr 25 2003, 20:14 guruboolez QUOTE (bryant @ Apr 25 2003 - 08:14 PM)Also, ... Apr 25 2003, 20:45 HansHeijden Bryant, I made a lossy ape of your sample, and mad... Apr 25 2003, 20:55 JohnV LOL.. now bryant is dragged to the lossy quality b... Apr 25 2003, 21:44 HansHeijden Bryant, the -j1 switch you mention indeed gives mu... Apr 25 2003, 22:47 Dibrom QUOTE (budgie @ Apr 25 2003 - 07:53 AM)QUOTE ... Apr 26 2003, 00:14 bryant Guruboolez:
I tried to find that sample but could... Apr 26 2003, 00:49 guruboolez Here is the sample, compressed by a simple but imp... Apr 26 2003, 01:04 den @HansHeijden
Thanks for making me aware of the los... Apr 26 2003, 10:16 den Just did a quick and dirty ABX test of wavpack los... Apr 26 2003, 10:51 bryant Guruboolez:
Thanks for the sample. I didn't r... Apr 28 2003, 21:19
den Thanks for the info bryant.
I concur that the joi... Apr 29 2003, 01:23 |
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