Have you ever regretted ABXing?, How has it changed your feelings about your stuff? |
Have you ever regretted ABXing?, How has it changed your feelings about your stuff? |
Nov 3 2010, 21:30
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By "stuff" i mean equipment and music?
Have you ever ABXed something and found yourself not enjoying it as much as you did now that you know it's not all you thought it to be? Has the opposite ever happened to you? I don't have the set up to ABX sound files yet (i'm a Linux user and both options seem to be dead). After participating in this forum for only a few days and reading of others experiences with 24-bit vs 16-bit music i'm now looking at my 24-bit collection of DVD-As, SACDs and 24-bit Studio Master downloads and thinking "..Damn it?" with a bit of confusion. I don't feel as secure with them anymore. I thought i had the 'best' sound i could get which is always a goal for folks like me. Conversely, i might enjoy my redbook CDs more now as i won't be thinking "well they aren't 24-bit :"( " and i might not be hearing deficits that aren't really there. I'm not sure how to feel about that. I'm sure i'm not the only one here who's gone though this. Some of you started out as 'audiofools' too, right? How did you deal with this? In a sense i'm kinda feeling "No, i don't want to look up ABX testing for loudspeakers. I waited 10 years for just the right pair to come to me and i really don't want to know that my $2.5k Anthony Gallo Acoustic Reference 3.1s are 'the same' as a pair of BestBuy specials." That's a bit of an exaggeration given how different speakers can be ...at least i think it is. I'm uncertain. Honestly, i think i'm changing quickly and looking for support. So how did you deal when the ABXing didn't work out how how you hoped it might? Thanks edit: Brought it back on-topic a bit. This post has been edited by BearcatSandor: Nov 3 2010, 21:59 -------------------- Music lover and recovering high end audiophile
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Nov 5 2010, 03:00
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![]() Group: Members Posts: 145 Joined: 18-May 10 From: Montana, USA Member No.: 80732 |
I appreciate all of these posts. I'm still de-programming as i think of it, and the though of taking my lossless file collection and turning them into a lossy format kinda makes me want to run for the hills. I know it's "just music" but i'm one of those people who sometimes, when i play a piece that moves me i feel like i might never have to eat again if i kept listening to it. It "feeds" me so to speak. In resturants and other public places, background music does not exist for me. It's always part of my foreground.
What if one does ABX testing and finds that MP3s at high bitrates are 'good enough'. Then one gets a different amp or moves the audio system to a different room? Then you'd have to test all over again to see if it's still good enough in the new room/with the new amp/and the dog not shedding as much this time of year. (i assume that dog fur creates a -.005 db suck-out at 80 hz when a dog is standing a meter away from the speaker I always knew it was a case of diminishing returns but it is nice to know that a $20k amplifier compared to a $2k amplifier makes little to no difference, according to what i've been reading lately. -------------------- Music lover and recovering high end audiophile
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Nov 5 2010, 03:51
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(i assume that dog fur creates a -.005 db suck-out at 80 hz when a dog is standing a meter away from the speaker Clearly, you need a second dog so the first one doesn't unbalance the image. :-) Seriously, I agree that it makes little sense to convert to a lossy format. For one thing, it's been reported elsewhere here that expert listeners were able to distinguish between high BR MP-3 and lossless, so there's always the possibility that, as you surmise, you'll be able to hear the difference yourself. For another, bits are cheap these days, so why bother? I still have some MP-3's that I made back in the days when they weren't, and I still listen to them, but for new files, I stick to flac. I see that some here have given up on audiophilia entirely after discovering that they couldn't hear some things they thought they could in ABX tests. I'm not going to second guess their choices, because I think everyone has their own reasons for doing things. But from my own perspective, the pursuit of good sound is fun and rewarding, whether one can hear the difference between two amplifiers or not. So I see blind testing more as a tool than a challenge to what I like to do. Even if amplifiers do differ only in frequency response and overload characteristics, they still differ, and other components, such as loudspeakers, differ even more. So there's plenty of room for tweaking. |
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BearcatSandor Have you ever regretted ABXing? Nov 3 2010, 21:30
dv1989 QUOTE (BearcatSandor @ Nov 3 2010, 20:30)... Nov 3 2010, 21:39
BearcatSandor QUOTE (dv1989 @ Nov 3 2010, 14:39) At the... Nov 3 2010, 21:45
greynol QUOTE (BearcatSandor @ Nov 3 2010, 13:45)... Nov 3 2010, 22:04
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greynol If it's any consolation, the most common advic... Nov 3 2010, 21:48
mixminus1 Oh, I don't think you should regret buying the... Nov 3 2010, 22:20
BearcatSandor QUOTE (mixminus1 @ Nov 3 2010, 15:20) Oh,... Nov 3 2010, 22:32

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Northpack QUOTE (mixminus1 @ Nov 3 2010, 22:20) I... Nov 3 2010, 22:39
greynol That's funny, I was thinking the opposite: th... Nov 3 2010, 22:51
mixminus1 Oh, then you'd positively LOVE these. >:D
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mixminus1 ...and now attempting to at least get myself back ... Nov 3 2010, 23:45
Roseval QUOTE (BearcatSandor @ Nov 3 2010, 22:30)... Nov 4 2010, 00:22
odigg I think I had two simultaneous feelings after I st... Nov 4 2010, 01:29
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Porcus QUOTE (Josh358 @ Nov 4 2010, 19:23) Thoug... Nov 23 2010, 14:40
hlloyge Personally, my aac's are now around 160 kbit V... Nov 4 2010, 21:54
greynol While that may be, this forum requires different c... Nov 5 2010, 00:41
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krabapple QUOTE (Arnold B. Krueger @ Nov 8 2010, 08... Nov 17 2010, 18:19
krabapple QUOTE I see the Fielder paper as being a justifica... Nov 17 2010, 18:15
DigitalMan Interesting OP
Did ABX after ripping to LAME 256kb... Nov 5 2010, 02:06
Canar I have never regretted ABXing. Double-blind testin... Nov 5 2010, 02:20
greynol QUOTE (BearcatSandor @ Nov 4 2010, 19:00)... Nov 5 2010, 04:23
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knutinh QUOTE (Engelsstaub @ Nov 5 2010, 07:13) I... Nov 5 2010, 08:20

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dv1989 QUOTE (Engelsstaub @ Nov 6 2010, 05:29) I... Nov 6 2010, 11:10

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greynol No worries.
I think the fear that transcoding is ... Nov 5 2010, 07:42
Josh358 QUOTE (greynol @ Nov 5 2010, 01:42) No wo... Nov 5 2010, 17:32
greynol QUOTE (Josh358 @ Nov 5 2010, 09:32) Has a... Nov 5 2010, 18:34
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greynol QUOTE (Josh358 @ Nov 5 2010, 14:00) Which... Nov 6 2010, 21:07
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Arnold B. Krueger QUOTE (Josh358 @ Nov 6 2010, 17:50) Elect... Nov 8 2010, 14:17
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simonh I wonder whether lossy will formats distributed ov... Nov 5 2010, 08:52
Takla The only damage I've caused by abx testing has... Nov 5 2010, 16:07
DigitalMan After a humbling fail on ABX with MP3 at 192kbp/s ... Nov 6 2010, 05:33
dv1989 Yeah, I may have overgeneralised. I think I meant... Nov 6 2010, 11:56
Meeko Never regretted learning that my hearing isn't... Nov 11 2010, 15:18
Onebeforezod The weird thing for me was that I really could tel... Nov 25 2010, 02:36
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greynol Your ABX report saying you can tell the difference... Nov 27 2010, 03:22
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