R128GAIN: An EBU R128 compliant loudness scanner |
R128GAIN: An EBU R128 compliant loudness scanner |
Jan 5 2011, 19:38
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I've just uploaded on sourceforge a first version of r128gain, an EBU R128 (http://tech.ebu.ch/loudness) compliant loudness scanner:
http://sourceforge.net/projects/r128gain/files/
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Jan 8 2011, 00:28
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Please pardon the noob here; hopefully I'm keeping up with the discussion even though most of this is far outside my normal domain. I'm sure you'll all set me straight if I'm on the wrong track!
Is a two-pass approach over the input really required? While I'm sure it's a reasonable approach; from a library perspective a single pass interface seems convenient (like the common ReplayGainAnalysis C code). In googlebot's steps 1 through 6; the loudness per block is calculated implicitly during step #2 and if I'm understanding correctly only that per-block loudness is needed for all of the remaining steps. Now in a "maximum overlap" approach as suggested by pbelkner each input sample results in a block so the block count per second is of course very high (equal to the sample rate). In this case buffering the per-block loundness in a single-pass approach sounds ridiculous compared to a two-pass algorithm. But in the minimum 50% overlap standard laid out by Tech 3341, Annex 1; the block count per second is fixed at 5 independent of the sample rate. If I'm understanding this correctly it means that buffering the per-block loudness would "only" require 18K samples per hour (versus 172 million for near 100% overlap). If the loudness samples are stored in 64-bits that's only a little over 700 KiB an hour of buffering. While it isn't bounded; it sounds reasonable for in memory buffering this application on modern hardware (considering tyipcal PC applications at this point, not embedded devices, etc). I looks to me like there is a good reason to stay near the 50% minimum overlap. -Jeff |
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pbelkner R128GAIN: An EBU R128 compliant loudness scanner Jan 5 2011, 19:38
googlebot Didn't try the tool, yet, but had a look at th... Jan 5 2011, 20:13
pbelkner QUOTE (googlebot @ Jan 5 2011, 21:13) Did... Jan 5 2011, 21:32
C.R.Helmrich Wow, thank you so much for this tool! I was al... Jan 5 2011, 23:23
pbelkner QUOTE (C.R.Helmrich @ Jan 6 2011, 00:23) ... Jan 6 2011, 00:46
C.R.Helmrich QUOTE (pbelkner @ Jan 6 2011, 01:46) It i... Jan 6 2011, 15:23
pbelkner QUOTE (C.R.Helmrich @ Jan 6 2011, 16:23) ... Jan 6 2011, 16:03
googlebot QUOTE (pbelkner @ Jan 6 2011, 16:03) What... Jan 7 2011, 21:34
pbelkner QUOTE (googlebot @ Jan 7 2011, 22:34) I a... Jan 7 2011, 22:17
googlebot QUOTE (pbelkner @ Jan 7 2011, 22:17) It s... Jan 7 2011, 22:35
pbelkner QUOTE (googlebot @ Jan 7 2011, 23:35) PS ... Jan 7 2011, 23:21
C.R.Helmrich QUOTE (pbelkner @ Jan 8 2011, 00:21) Many... Jan 8 2011, 14:29
pbelkner QUOTE (C.R.Helmrich @ Jan 8 2011, 15:29) ... Jan 10 2011, 17:38
pbelkner QUOTE (pbelkner @ Jan 10 2011, 18:38) The... Jan 10 2011, 18:01
C.R.Helmrich Exactly, and if you pull out the "/n" in... Jan 10 2011, 18:20
Fandango On a completely other note... What about patents? ... Jan 6 2011, 01:53
mudlord QUOTE (Fandango @ Jan 5 2011, 18:53) On a... Jan 6 2011, 13:22
cpchan QUOTE (mudlord @ Jan 6 2011, 08:22) The o... Jan 6 2011, 13:44
mudlord QUOTE (cpchan @ Jan 6 2011, 07:44) QUOTE ... Jan 6 2011, 13:46
Notat Congratulations on this!
I know that BS.1770 ... Jan 6 2011, 02:37
mudlord What is the license for the tool? Jan 6 2011, 03:42
A_Man_Eating_Duck i can't for the life of me get this app to jus... Jan 6 2011, 08:14
pbelkner QUOTE (A_Man_Eating_Duck @ Jan 6 2011, 09... Jan 6 2011, 09:34
pbelkner QUOTE (Fandango @ Jan 6 2011, 02:53) On a... Jan 6 2011, 09:19
mudlord QUOTE (pbelkner @ Jan 6 2011, 02:19) It... Jan 6 2011, 13:20
pbelkner QUOTE (mudlord @ Jan 6 2011, 14:20) QUOTE... Jan 6 2011, 15:26
Soap QUOTE (pbelkner @ Jan 6 2011, 09:26) Both... Jan 6 2011, 15:53
cpchan QUOTE (Soap @ Jan 6 2011, 10:53) ffmepg i... Jan 6 2011, 16:09
pbelkner QUOTE (Soap @ Jan 6 2011, 16:53) QUOTE (p... Jan 6 2011, 16:13
Soap QUOTE (pbelkner @ Jan 6 2011, 10:13) QUOT... Jan 6 2011, 16:21
pbelkner QUOTE (Soap @ Jan 6 2011, 17:21) QUOTE (p... Jan 6 2011, 16:49
saratoga QUOTE (pbelkner @ Jan 6 2011, 10:49) QUOT... Jan 6 2011, 18:37
cpchan QUOTE (saratoga @ Jan 6 2011, 13:37) That... Jan 7 2011, 01:39
Zao Note that "use" in mudlord's post is... Jan 6 2011, 13:29
cpchan QUOTE (Zao @ Jan 6 2011, 08:29) If you ev... Jan 6 2011, 13:48
Zao QUOTE (cpchan @ Jan 6 2011, 13:48) QUOTE ... Jan 6 2011, 13:52
cpchan QUOTE (Zao @ Jan 6 2011, 08:52) If more k... Jan 6 2011, 13:59
Zao Even if the end artifact is a program, this preven... Jan 6 2011, 13:47
cpchan QUOTE (Zao @ Jan 6 2011, 08:47) Even if t... Jan 6 2011, 13:52
Zao QUOTE (cpchan @ Jan 6 2011, 13:52) What i... Jan 6 2011, 13:54
Zao If a developer uses a library with one of the usua... Jan 6 2011, 14:02
cpchan QUOTE (Zao @ Jan 6 2011, 09:02) If a deve... Jan 6 2011, 14:14
lvqcl Please remember that QUOTE (pbelkner @ Jan 6 ... Jan 6 2011, 14:10
Zao You cannot always dynamically link to a library, a... Jan 6 2011, 14:16
cpchan QUOTE (Zao @ Jan 6 2011, 09:16) You canno... Jan 6 2011, 14:33
mudlord QUOTE (cpchan @ Jan 6 2011, 08:33) QUOTE ... Jan 7 2011, 07:19
googlebot QUOTE (mudlord @ Jan 7 2011, 07:19)To avo... Jan 7 2011, 10:46
2Bdecided QUOTE (googlebot @ Jan 7 2011, 09:46) No ... Jan 7 2011, 17:45
GHammer Seven of 38 posts on software licensing.
Geesh... Jan 7 2011, 04:39
mudlord QUOTE (GHammer @ Jan 6 2011, 21:39) Seven... Jan 7 2011, 07:14
romor Bad talk. You are free to see his posts if you wan... Jan 7 2011, 15:57
Soap forget it. Jan 7 2011, 16:43
staale Hi,
Just wanted to add that we've released ou... Jan 7 2011, 17:08
googlebot Forget this, too. Else the joke doesn't work o... Jan 7 2011, 17:02
jangk Hello,
back to audio issues again.
Thank you pbel... Jan 7 2011, 17:27
pbelkner QUOTE (jangk @ Jan 7 2011, 18:27) Am I mi... Jan 7 2011, 18:13
jangk QUOTE (pbelkner @ Jan 7 2011, 18:13) QUOT... Jan 7 2011, 19:13
pbelkner QUOTE (jangk @ Jan 7 2011, 20:13) Anyhow,... Jan 7 2011, 19:56
mudlord QUOTE How about you program your own lib or shut u... Jan 7 2011, 18:57
googlebot Completely agree! One doesn't really have ... Jan 8 2011, 01:51
pbelkner QUOTE (jdoering @ Jan 8 2011, 01:28) But ... Jan 8 2011, 09:32
Notat I have it on good authority that the calculation c... Jan 8 2011, 18:42
googlebot A fully standard compliant single-pass outline is ... Jan 8 2011, 19:40
pbelkner v0.3 released
I've just uploaded the new vers... Jan 9 2011, 18:47
googlebot QUOTE (pbelkner @ Jan 9 2011, 18:47) CODE... Jan 12 2011, 20:26
pbelkner QUOTE (googlebot @ Jan 12 2011, 21:26) QU... Jan 13 2011, 10:26
googlebot Works perfectly, great job! Even for multichan... Jan 10 2011, 09:58
googlebot Just out of curiosity, where does that 0.4 come fr... Jan 10 2011, 18:35
jdoering QUOTE (googlebot @ Jan 10 2011, 09:35) Ju... Jan 10 2011, 19:27
googlebot Duh. My bad! Jan 10 2011, 21:40
Fandango I have a proposal.
New standard tag fields:
EBU_... Jan 11 2011, 23:14
Notat QUOTE (Fandango @ Jan 11 2011, 15:14) Wit... Jan 12 2011, 04:11
Fandango QUOTE (Notat @ Jan 12 2011, 04:11) QUOTE ... Jan 13 2011, 16:21
pbelkner QUOTE (Fandango @ Jan 13 2011, 17:21) But... Jan 13 2011, 17:01

2Bdecided QUOTE (pbelkner @ Jan 13 2011, 16:01) EBU... Jan 13 2011, 17:24
2Bdecided QUOTE (Fandango @ Jan 13 2011, 15:21) Mos... Jan 13 2011, 17:20
Fandango PS: I'd say that using GAIN in your prefix is ... Jan 12 2011, 02:02
jdoering I had been hoping that the written tags were being... Jan 12 2011, 06:40
pbelkner QUOTE (jdoering @ Jan 12 2011, 07:40) I h... Jan 12 2011, 10:21
jdoering QUOTE (pbelkner @ Jan 12 2011, 01:21) QUO... Jan 12 2011, 21:24
pbelkner QUOTE (jdoering @ Jan 12 2011, 22:24) I t... Jan 13 2011, 11:01
jdoering Just compared r128gain output versus ReplayGain fo... Jan 12 2011, 10:18
googlebot I think you both have a valid point.
I also think... Jan 12 2011, 12:58
pbelkner QUOTE (googlebot @ Jan 12 2011, 13:58) =... Jan 12 2011, 13:14

C.R.Helmrich QUOTE (pbelkner @ Jan 12 2011, 14:14) QUO... Jan 12 2011, 18:27


Notat QUOTE (C.R.Helmrich @ Jan 12 2011, 10:27)... Jan 13 2011, 02:57


jdoering QUOTE (Notat @ Jan 12 2011, 17:57) QUOTE ... Jan 13 2011, 06:21


C.R.Helmrich QUOTE (jdoering @ Jan 13 2011, 07:21) I... Jan 13 2011, 10:25


pbelkner QUOTE (C.R.Helmrich @ Jan 13 2011, 11:25)... Jan 13 2011, 10:37

2Bdecided QUOTE (pbelkner @ Jan 12 2011, 12:14) QUO... Jan 13 2011, 11:23

Notat QUOTE (2Bdecided @ Jan 13 2011, 03:23) Yo... Jan 13 2011, 15:41
pbelkner QUOTE (googlebot @ Jan 12 2011, 13:58) PS... Jan 12 2011, 17:07
googlebot How large are the expected differences? Is there a... Jan 12 2011, 18:46
C.R.Helmrich True. I guess for the averaging we should leave ou... Jan 12 2011, 19:00
Raiden What is so special about pink noise? How does pink... Jan 13 2011, 11:44
googlebot Pink noise has equal energy over all octaves. It... Jan 13 2011, 12:02
jangk Thank you Notat for the link to AES "Loudness... Jan 13 2011, 13:57
benski I'm with David.
I think we should verify the ... Jan 13 2011, 17:27
Fandango So if the old tags are used, how do I know whether... Jan 13 2011, 18:22![]() ![]() |
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