Windows 7's resampling sucks, How can it be improved? |
Windows 7's resampling sucks, How can it be improved? |
Feb 9 2011, 20:30
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Playback over WASAPI must match the sample rate of the output device. Thus applications must supply their own resampling if the playback rate does not match. Most applications don't do this but just employ MME or DirectSound, which provide transparent resampling for non-matching rates.
Since some of my content is 44.1 kHz and some 48 kHz I used to set the output rate to 192 kHz so that all audio had to be upsampled. With good software resampling and a cheap onboard codec this could, in theory, even improve the overall result. But the opposite was true. Today I couldn't longer ignore the impression that the resampled output sounded somewhat muffled and did some measurements. You can view the result here. The upsampled output (44.1 -> 192 kHz) suffers from quite a HF roll-off in comparison to pure 44.1 kHz output. In Windows XP the SRC quality could be adjusted. I can't find anything comparable in Windows 7. Does anyone know more? This post has been edited by googlebot: Feb 9 2011, 20:33 |
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Aug 29 2012, 18:22
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Cross-linking for future reference:
“Windows 7/2008 have bug in SRC when recording via MME—hotfix available” I’d also like to take this opportunity to respond to this: Is there any reason the OS' resampling even matters? If it's bothersome to hear, or even from a "I know _____ and it bothers me", then anything worth listening to w/o that "problem" can simply be played through a player that performs its own resampling. Virtually every player lets you do this, probably with something good enough that isn't complainable. Who cares if your windows sounds or some crappy youtube vid has been upsampled and has a high range falloff? If it only matters for music and videos, just resample in your player if you absolutely cannot stand something in the OS. Very bad logic. Users are perfectly entitled to complain about sloppy implementation of automatic processes, especially in the supposedly latest-and-best edition of the world’s most popular OS, used by millions. Saying there are other options isn’t good enough. Jumping through hoops just to neutralise someone else’s failure should not be considered acceptable. I also take issue with the implicit idea that only those who notice and can deduce the correct cause deserve proper/adequate quality. Audibility shouldn’t matter in contexts such as this, and you instantly dismiss people who notice but aren’t aware of digital audio’s internals and/or may conclude that some other part of their signal-chain is at fault.
tl;dr: If you don't like one thing's way of doing something, use what you believe to be a better version of it. |
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googlebot Windows 7's resampling sucks Feb 9 2011, 20:30
[JAZ] A) WASAPI doesn't force any player to resampl... Feb 9 2011, 20:41
googlebot QUOTE ([JAZ] @ Feb 9 2011, 20:41)... Feb 9 2011, 21:14
saratoga QUOTE (googlebot @ Feb 9 2011, 14:30) Sin... Feb 9 2011, 21:56
googlebot It's hard to ABX the different paths directly ... Feb 9 2011, 22:11
Roseval WASAPI in exclusive mode send the output straight ... Feb 9 2011, 23:04
googlebot QUOTE (Roseval @ Feb 9 2011, 23:04) WASAP... Feb 9 2011, 23:11
Cavaille QUOTE ([JAZ] @ Feb 9 2011, 20:41)... Feb 9 2011, 23:43
dv1989 QUOTE (Cavaille @ Feb 9 2011, 22:43) QUOT... Feb 10 2011, 00:10
[JAZ] Are you telling me that when I have set 24bits 96K... Feb 9 2011, 23:49
googlebot QUOTE ([JAZ] @ Feb 9 2011, 23:49)... Feb 10 2011, 00:07
C.R.Helmrich http://www.hydrogenaudio.org/forums/index....st... Feb 9 2011, 23:50
SCOTU Is there any reason the OS' resampling even ma... Feb 9 2011, 23:51
soulsearchingsun Did you take the effects of different recontructio... Feb 9 2011, 23:56
googlebot I'll be away until tomorrow night. If you guys... Feb 10 2011, 00:25
GeSomeone @googlebot , I do not fully understand why you... Feb 10 2011, 00:42
googlebot QUOTE (GeSomeone @ Feb 10 2011, 00:42) I ... Feb 11 2011, 00:00
Cavaille QUOTE (googlebot @ Feb 10 2011, 00:07) Ho... Feb 10 2011, 00:47
googlebot @GeSomeone That's possible. It didn't test... Feb 10 2011, 00:50
SebastianG I also don't think -1 dB at 17 kHz and -3 dB a... Feb 10 2011, 11:28
Notat QUOTE (SebastianG @ Feb 10 2011, 03:28) I... Feb 10 2011, 16:43
googlebot I am well familiar with the technical details of r... Feb 10 2011, 20:46
Woodinville QUOTE (Notat @ Feb 10 2011, 08:43) Have y... Nov 5 2011, 08:32
soulsearchingsun QUOTE (soulsearchingsun @ Feb 9 2011, 23... Feb 10 2011, 11:45
lvqcl http://blogs.msdn.com/b/matthew_van_eerde/...-pull... Feb 10 2011, 22:17
Greg QUOTE (lvqcl @ Feb 10 2011, 13:17) http:/... Apr 17 2011, 08:51
lvqcl QUOTE (Greg @ Apr 17 2011, 11:51) How exa... Apr 17 2011, 12:34
Greg QUOTE (lvqcl @ Apr 17 2011, 03:34) QUOTE ... Apr 17 2011, 19:30
googlebot Interesting. Looks like it should, just not like w... Feb 10 2011, 23:32
[JAZ] Couple of things...
It looks like foobar2000 impl... Feb 11 2011, 01:05
googlebot Thank you for the update [JAZ] and my apologies fo... Feb 11 2011, 01:53
googlebot The problem is mostly solved. It seems to be a rea... Feb 11 2011, 03:20
soulsearchingsun QUOTE (googlebot @ Feb 11 2011, 03:20) Th... Feb 11 2011, 13:05
googlebot QUOTE (soulsearchingsun @ Feb 11 2011, 13... Feb 11 2011, 13:09
googlebot Maybe we can get an additional confirmation? Perso... Feb 11 2011, 13:13
soulsearchingsun QUOTE (googlebot @ Feb 11 2011, 13:13) Ma... Feb 11 2011, 13:20
googlebot Full stop. It was just RMAA that fucked up. And wi... Feb 11 2011, 14:19
Cavaille QUOTE (googlebot @ Feb 11 2011, 14:19) Fu... Feb 11 2011, 15:15
greynol What about your initial suspicion about muffled so... Feb 11 2011, 19:51
googlebot QUOTE (greynol @ Feb 11 2011, 19:51) What... Feb 11 2011, 20:27
hellokeith Googlebot,
This thread was actually helpful, in t... Feb 13 2011, 04:06
jaro1 This area has also my interest, however the proble... Apr 17 2011, 11:20
lvqcl I don't have it, but it was like the attached ... Apr 17 2011, 19:57
whitejason QUOTE (googlebot @ Feb 9 2011, 20:30) Pla... Jun 27 2011, 18:41
meeky Not sure if this is related, but Microsoft have co... Nov 5 2011, 07:05
lvqcl from the abovementioned thread:
QUOTE Media Founda... Nov 5 2011, 07:36
hellokeith QUOTE (lvqcl @ Nov 5 2011, 00:36) Media F... Nov 5 2011, 10:01
benski QUOTE (lvqcl @ Nov 5 2011, 02:36) from th... Nov 6 2011, 18:24
lvqcl http://blog.szynalski.com/2009/11/17/an-au...-7/#c... Nov 5 2011, 10:47
C.R.Helmrich I just checked the optional updates available for ... Nov 5 2011, 11:28
Batman321 QUOTE (C.R.Helmrich @ Nov 5 2011, 05:28) ... Nov 5 2011, 19:01
Roseval I'm afraid audio has priority zero at Microsof... Nov 5 2011, 13:33
googlebot QUOTE (Roseval @ Nov 5 2011, 14:33) I... Nov 5 2011, 21:09
Roseval There are a couple of media players for OSX doing... Nov 6 2011, 10:59
Juha So, you need dedicated playback software for to do... Nov 6 2011, 11:52

bennetng I have to agree that win7's resampling has som... Nov 6 2011, 13:11
googlebot QUOTE (Roseval @ Nov 6 2011, 11:59) There... Nov 6 2011, 15:19
Roseval Correct.
iTunes doesn't support automatic samp... Nov 6 2011, 13:03
LordWarlock For whoever it may interest, there is now a hotfix... Mar 9 2012, 19:49
C.R.Helmrich Thanks a million, Lord! Trying it right now. E... Mar 9 2012, 21:21
extrabigmehdi QUOTE (LordWarlock @ Mar 9 2012, 18:49) F... Mar 10 2012, 00:07

andy o QUOTE (extrabigmehdi @ Mar 9 2012, 16:07)... Jun 20 2012, 00:34
Woodinville QUOTE (LordWarlock @ Mar 9 2012, 10:49) F... Mar 10 2012, 01:51
markanini QUOTE (Woodinville @ Mar 10 2012, 02:51) ... Jun 20 2012, 06:41
hellokeith Why a hotfix and not an update? Mar 10 2012, 10:17![]() ![]() |
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