Windows 7's resampling sucks, How can it be improved? |
Windows 7's resampling sucks, How can it be improved? |
Feb 9 2011, 20:30
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Playback over WASAPI must match the sample rate of the output device. Thus applications must supply their own resampling if the playback rate does not match. Most applications don't do this but just employ MME or DirectSound, which provide transparent resampling for non-matching rates.
Since some of my content is 44.1 kHz and some 48 kHz I used to set the output rate to 192 kHz so that all audio had to be upsampled. With good software resampling and a cheap onboard codec this could, in theory, even improve the overall result. But the opposite was true. Today I couldn't longer ignore the impression that the resampled output sounded somewhat muffled and did some measurements. You can view the result here. The upsampled output (44.1 -> 192 kHz) suffers from quite a HF roll-off in comparison to pure 44.1 kHz output. In Windows XP the SRC quality could be adjusted. I can't find anything comparable in Windows 7. Does anyone know more? This post has been edited by googlebot: Feb 9 2011, 20:33 |
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Apr 17 2011, 11:20
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This area has also my interest, however the problem are non-existent sources,tests or other material about it. I'm still unclear in two things i've written earlier in HA about (this or other threads, don't know yet).
1. MF pipeline uses under its audio DSPs a resampler DMO, which can be used by developing audio apps and its accuracy (filter length) can be adjusted from 1 to 60 (default is 30). Don't know if this can be also adjusted with "normal" playback through e.g. WMP12, as this is to me the only known MF application. 2. I suppose this component isn't used for resampling when using other APIs, e.g. dsound, waveout, xaudio2 (Tuniac uses this "dsound" replacement for hardware acceleration under xp - this seems not to be the case with WV/7 however, but i'm not sure). But if this is true, where does the resampling take place in this case? In the APIs themselves or in mixing engine Audiodg.dll? And can the accuracy also be adjusted (under V/7)? Under XP this was possible, but there was another architecture and the resampling was probably situated in kmixer.sys However i don't use JRMC, i've used it once to find out the resampler DMO precision, because it allowed me to include it into the audio path, not as DSP (all were disabled), but in file type handling it was possible to "pin" it to specified format, e.g. wav. Of course, disk writer was used for output. As audio driver was hard-settled to 16/48, resampler DMO automatically processed audio to these values (so bit dither/bitreduction was applied also). As usual, swept24 (24/96) from here: http://src.infinitewave.ca/TestSignals.zip was used for resampling. The result is here: http://img571.imageshack.us/i/1648b.gif Maybe this is with the default setting (30), don't know as adjusting wasn't possible in JRMC. This post has been edited by jaro1: Apr 17 2011, 11:25 |
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googlebot Windows 7's resampling sucks Feb 9 2011, 20:30
[JAZ] A) WASAPI doesn't force any player to resampl... Feb 9 2011, 20:41
googlebot QUOTE ([JAZ] @ Feb 9 2011, 20:41)... Feb 9 2011, 21:14
saratoga QUOTE (googlebot @ Feb 9 2011, 14:30) Sin... Feb 9 2011, 21:56
googlebot It's hard to ABX the different paths directly ... Feb 9 2011, 22:11
Roseval WASAPI in exclusive mode send the output straight ... Feb 9 2011, 23:04
googlebot QUOTE (Roseval @ Feb 9 2011, 23:04) WASAP... Feb 9 2011, 23:11
Cavaille QUOTE ([JAZ] @ Feb 9 2011, 20:41)... Feb 9 2011, 23:43
dv1989 QUOTE (Cavaille @ Feb 9 2011, 22:43) QUOT... Feb 10 2011, 00:10
[JAZ] Are you telling me that when I have set 24bits 96K... Feb 9 2011, 23:49
googlebot QUOTE ([JAZ] @ Feb 9 2011, 23:49)... Feb 10 2011, 00:07
C.R.Helmrich http://www.hydrogenaudio.org/forums/index....st... Feb 9 2011, 23:50
SCOTU Is there any reason the OS' resampling even ma... Feb 9 2011, 23:51
soulsearchingsun Did you take the effects of different recontructio... Feb 9 2011, 23:56
googlebot I'll be away until tomorrow night. If you guys... Feb 10 2011, 00:25
GeSomeone @googlebot , I do not fully understand why you... Feb 10 2011, 00:42
googlebot QUOTE (GeSomeone @ Feb 10 2011, 00:42) I ... Feb 11 2011, 00:00
Cavaille QUOTE (googlebot @ Feb 10 2011, 00:07) Ho... Feb 10 2011, 00:47
googlebot @GeSomeone That's possible. It didn't test... Feb 10 2011, 00:50
SebastianG I also don't think -1 dB at 17 kHz and -3 dB a... Feb 10 2011, 11:28
Notat QUOTE (SebastianG @ Feb 10 2011, 03:28) I... Feb 10 2011, 16:43
googlebot I am well familiar with the technical details of r... Feb 10 2011, 20:46
Woodinville QUOTE (Notat @ Feb 10 2011, 08:43) Have y... Nov 5 2011, 08:32
soulsearchingsun QUOTE (soulsearchingsun @ Feb 9 2011, 23... Feb 10 2011, 11:45
lvqcl http://blogs.msdn.com/b/matthew_van_eerde/...-pull... Feb 10 2011, 22:17
Greg QUOTE (lvqcl @ Feb 10 2011, 13:17) http:/... Apr 17 2011, 08:51
lvqcl QUOTE (Greg @ Apr 17 2011, 11:51) How exa... Apr 17 2011, 12:34
Greg QUOTE (lvqcl @ Apr 17 2011, 03:34) QUOTE ... Apr 17 2011, 19:30
googlebot Interesting. Looks like it should, just not like w... Feb 10 2011, 23:32
[JAZ] Couple of things...
It looks like foobar2000 impl... Feb 11 2011, 01:05
googlebot Thank you for the update [JAZ] and my apologies fo... Feb 11 2011, 01:53
googlebot The problem is mostly solved. It seems to be a rea... Feb 11 2011, 03:20
soulsearchingsun QUOTE (googlebot @ Feb 11 2011, 03:20) Th... Feb 11 2011, 13:05
googlebot QUOTE (soulsearchingsun @ Feb 11 2011, 13... Feb 11 2011, 13:09
googlebot Maybe we can get an additional confirmation? Perso... Feb 11 2011, 13:13
soulsearchingsun QUOTE (googlebot @ Feb 11 2011, 13:13) Ma... Feb 11 2011, 13:20
googlebot Full stop. It was just RMAA that fucked up. And wi... Feb 11 2011, 14:19
Cavaille QUOTE (googlebot @ Feb 11 2011, 14:19) Fu... Feb 11 2011, 15:15
greynol What about your initial suspicion about muffled so... Feb 11 2011, 19:51
googlebot QUOTE (greynol @ Feb 11 2011, 19:51) What... Feb 11 2011, 20:27
hellokeith Googlebot,
This thread was actually helpful, in t... Feb 13 2011, 04:06
lvqcl I don't have it, but it was like the attached ... Apr 17 2011, 19:57
whitejason QUOTE (googlebot @ Feb 9 2011, 20:30) Pla... Jun 27 2011, 18:41
meeky Not sure if this is related, but Microsoft have co... Nov 5 2011, 07:05
lvqcl from the abovementioned thread:
QUOTE Media Founda... Nov 5 2011, 07:36
hellokeith QUOTE (lvqcl @ Nov 5 2011, 00:36) Media F... Nov 5 2011, 10:01
benski QUOTE (lvqcl @ Nov 5 2011, 02:36) from th... Nov 6 2011, 18:24
lvqcl http://blog.szynalski.com/2009/11/17/an-au...-7/#c... Nov 5 2011, 10:47
C.R.Helmrich I just checked the optional updates available for ... Nov 5 2011, 11:28
Batman321 QUOTE (C.R.Helmrich @ Nov 5 2011, 05:28) ... Nov 5 2011, 19:01
Roseval I'm afraid audio has priority zero at Microsof... Nov 5 2011, 13:33
googlebot QUOTE (Roseval @ Nov 5 2011, 14:33) I... Nov 5 2011, 21:09
Roseval There are a couple of media players for OSX doing... Nov 6 2011, 10:59
Juha So, you need dedicated playback software for to do... Nov 6 2011, 11:52

bennetng I have to agree that win7's resampling has som... Nov 6 2011, 13:11
googlebot QUOTE (Roseval @ Nov 6 2011, 11:59) There... Nov 6 2011, 15:19
Roseval Correct.
iTunes doesn't support automatic samp... Nov 6 2011, 13:03
LordWarlock For whoever it may interest, there is now a hotfix... Mar 9 2012, 19:49
C.R.Helmrich Thanks a million, Lord! Trying it right now. E... Mar 9 2012, 21:21
extrabigmehdi QUOTE (LordWarlock @ Mar 9 2012, 18:49) F... Mar 10 2012, 00:07

andy o QUOTE (extrabigmehdi @ Mar 9 2012, 16:07)... Jun 20 2012, 00:34
Woodinville QUOTE (LordWarlock @ Mar 9 2012, 10:49) F... Mar 10 2012, 01:51
markanini QUOTE (Woodinville @ Mar 10 2012, 02:51) ... Jun 20 2012, 06:41
hellokeith Why a hotfix and not an update? Mar 10 2012, 10:17
db1989 Cross-linking for future reference:
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