True FLAC vs. Fake FLAC |
True FLAC vs. Fake FLAC |
Jun 29 2011, 19:58
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I know the topic title sounds absolutely absurd but hear me out. I've tested my FLAC collection by encoding them into V0 MP3. I then decoded the MP3 back to WAV and then compressed it in FLAC. My question is: unless you've ripped the files yourself, how would you know the FLAC file you have is ACTUALLY lossless instead of an MP3 converted into FLAC? I've used the TEST option in FLAC frontend and it doesn't give a result. I have used Audiotester and it does say the file failed because it's TRUNCATED.
Bottom-line: Is there a sure-fire way of knowing that a FLAC file is truly lossless and not a derivative of a lossy file? This post has been edited by XeR0: Jun 29 2011, 19:59 |
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Jun 29 2011, 20:10
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...recorded from the radio, or simply low-pass filtered.
There is also the real possibility that the CD was sourced from such data. There have been examples of this happening with legitimate CDs posted on this forum and elsewhere. -------------------- Everything sounds the same until it is proven otherwise.
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Jun 29 2011, 21:29
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![]() Group: Super Moderator Posts: 3268 Joined: 26-July 02 From: princegeorge.ca Member No.: 2796 |
There is also the real possibility that the CD was sourced from such data. There have been examples of this happening with legitimate CDs posted on this forum and elsewhere. My personal favourite anecdote was buying a music CD by Orbital from Hong Kong. It was silver and pressed, but had no catalog number and was audibly MP3 sourced. I later found the MP3s that they had sourced from. The artifacts matched.
This post has been edited by Canar: Jun 29 2011, 21:30 -------------------- (atrix|(fb2k->e-mu 0404 usb|audio 8 dj))->hd280|jvc ha-fx35-b
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XeR0 True FLAC vs. Fake FLAC Jun 29 2011, 19:58
greynol Bottom-line on a "sure-fire way": no. Jun 29 2011, 20:00
gottogo99 It's not guaranteed, but if you look at a file... Jun 29 2011, 20:05
XeR0 QUOTE (gottogo99 @ Jun 29 2011, 15:05) It... Jun 29 2011, 20:19
Rotareneg Looking at a spectrogram of the audio is a good wa... Jun 29 2011, 21:04
ChrisC7 QUOTE (Rotareneg @ Jun 29 2011, 22:04) Lo... Aug 7 2011, 09:55
greynol That's a good one.
I was referring to some of... Jun 29 2011, 21:35
frozenspeed QUOTE (greynol @ Jun 29 2011, 13:35) That... Oct 9 2011, 04:40
r0k Hi. I've read this topic with some interest es... Oct 9 2011, 19:01
XeR0 Rotareneg: Yeah, I use Sonic Visualizer and just g... Jun 29 2011, 21:39
greynol QUOTE (XeR0 @ Jun 29 2011, 13:39) Just as... Jun 29 2011, 21:46

d_headshot QUOTE (greynol @ Jun 29 2011, 15:46) I gu... Jun 30 2011, 05:05
DonP QUOTE (XeR0 @ Jun 29 2011, 15:39) QUOTE (... Jun 29 2011, 21:51
XeR0 QUOTE (greynol @ Jun 29 2011, 16:46) QUOT... Jun 29 2011, 22:12
dreamliner77 QUOTE (XeR0 @ Jun 29 2011, 17:12) QUOTE (... Oct 8 2011, 20:15
greynol You're operating under the assumption that ... Jun 29 2011, 22:31
XeR0 QUOTE (greynol @ Jun 29 2011, 17:31) You... Jun 29 2011, 22:40
greynol I regret to say I don't find that all composer... Jun 29 2011, 22:48
Canar QUOTE (greynol @ Jun 29 2011, 14:48) I re... Jun 29 2011, 23:09
XeR0 QUOTE (greynol @ Jun 29 2011, 17:48) I re... Jun 29 2011, 22:55
XeR0 QUOTE (Canar @ Jun 29 2011, 18:09) Knowin... Jun 30 2011, 00:01
greynol QUOTE (XeR0 @ Jun 29 2011, 14:12) A good ... Jun 30 2011, 00:28
Goratrix Also, when you think about it, the OP's questi... Jun 30 2011, 09:38
greynol QUOTE (Goratrix @ Jun 30 2011, 01:38) On ... Jun 30 2011, 16:50
Goratrix QUOTE (greynol @ Jun 30 2011, 17:50) QUOT... Jun 30 2011, 17:28
xnor As well as creating flac files by ripping CDs you ... Jun 30 2011, 15:17
greynol You get a match against a verified yet errant subm... Jun 30 2011, 17:34
Goratrix QUOTE (greynol @ Jun 30 2011, 18:34) You ... Jun 30 2011, 17:55
XeR0 QUOTE (Goratrix @ Jun 30 2011, 04:38) Als... Jun 30 2011, 17:56
greynol Assuming you're using a tool configured to sho... Jun 30 2011, 18:01
Porcus QUOTE (greynol @ Jun 29 2011, 16:46) QUOT... Aug 7 2011, 13:59
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Northpack QUOTE (astroidmist @ Oct 8 2011, 05:41) T... Oct 8 2011, 12:00
astroidmist QUOTE (Northpack @ Oct 8 2011, 05:00) QUO... Oct 21 2011, 23:00
soviet123 ...From what I've read, you can use Goldwave (... Oct 9 2011, 20:35
r0k QUOTE (soviet123 @ Oct 9 2011, 21:35) ...... Oct 10 2011, 09:46
Northpack QUOTE (r0k @ Oct 9 2011, 18:01) Can anyon... Oct 10 2011, 10:14
r0k QUOTE You should really try the AuCDtect tools I t... Oct 10 2011, 10:49
Northpack QUOTE (r0k @ Oct 10 2011, 09:49) Unfortun... Oct 10 2011, 11:04
r0k QUOTE (Northpack @ Oct 10 2011, 12:04) Th... Oct 10 2011, 11:13
Northpack QUOTE (r0k @ Oct 10 2011, 11:13) I've... Oct 10 2011, 14:57
r0k Not sure why i can no longer edit my previous post... Oct 10 2011, 13:28
dhromed Have you notified them? Oct 10 2011, 13:42
r0k I havn't contacted them yet because i first wa... Oct 10 2011, 15:59
_mē_ QUOTE You should really try the AuCDtect tools I t... Oct 11 2011, 12:59
r0k By "False positives" do you mean files w... Oct 11 2011, 17:24
Northpack QUOTE (r0k @ Oct 11 2011, 16:24) By ... Oct 11 2011, 17:34
_mē_ By false positive I mean that the file is fine, bu... Oct 11 2011, 20:56
djchristian QUOTE (_mē_ @ Oct 11 2011, 21:56) By fals... Jan 6 2012, 03:50
Joseph93 3 things:
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2. I recently stumbled ... Oct 12 2011, 05:13
saratoga QUOTE (Joseph93 @ Oct 12 2011, 00:13) 3 t... Oct 12 2011, 05:44
Joseph93 QUOTE (saratoga @ Oct 12 2011, 05:44) It ... Oct 12 2011, 06:19
saratoga QUOTE (Joseph93 @ Oct 12 2011, 01:19) So ... Oct 12 2011, 06:49
greynol I've seen examples of both false positives and... Oct 12 2011, 05:22
r0k QUOTE (greynol @ Oct 12 2011, 06:22) I... Oct 12 2011, 12:37
mjb2006 QUOTE (r0k @ Oct 12 2011, 05:37) I have r... Oct 12 2011, 22:03
Joseph93 QUOTE It doesn't do what people in this thread... Oct 12 2011, 07:01
saratoga QUOTE (Joseph93 @ Oct 12 2011, 02:01) QUO... Oct 12 2011, 07:09
Joseph93 QUOTE If you know that the file was encoded with a... Oct 12 2011, 07:28
saratoga QUOTE (Joseph93 @ Oct 12 2011, 02:28) Yes... Oct 12 2011, 07:41
testyou QUOTE Some/many are also just not very technologic... Oct 13 2011, 09:52
r0k And then, there are people who are not even musici... Oct 13 2011, 15:31
knutinh I have noticed that mp3s commonly add a large erro... Oct 16 2011, 00:20
2Bdecided On exceptionally pure tone-like signals you can se... Oct 17 2011, 10:42
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