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Jun 29 2011, 23:08
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I'm having trouble figuring out which of the two is better for me to create a vinyl recording at the highest volume without clipping.
I capture a record via my preamp into Audacity, and I get what seem to be relatively low levels even though I make sure the levels are right when I record (Peak: -6.4db, RMS -24.6db). Am I doing something wrong? Or are those levels right? These recordings don't seem as loud as mastered CDs. Anyway, to get the most accurate sound possible, should I use normalize or just increase the volume? If normalizing makes everything sound the same at a peak level, doesn't that completely screw with the dynamic range of the music? Thanks! |
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Jul 5 2011, 08:38
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Perhaps I am just too ignorant of what is involved. The waveform is displaced by some amount from zero. This is normally caused by a DC voltage on the analogue signal line. It exist in the analogue signal. When converting to digital it is retained as a numerical component of each sample value. The file can be copied elsewhere, within the computer or to another, and the offset does not go away.
Since there is a way to detect and remove it in an editor, there has to be a way to add it where it did not originally exist. In a digital recording it is just another part of what makes up the sample, in a sense like 60Hz hum. It doesn't matter whether it was actually caused by DC where there should have been none, or by something else. Also, I don't seen any reason there could not be a DC voltage on the signal line going into the cutting amplifier, adding an offset to the recording being fed to it. However, I take it by your extreme example that cutting the signal to disk would effectively remove the offset. I can see there is no reference available on the LP but if this means the signal becomes what it would have been had there been no offset to begin with, then either What I 've found on a few LP recordings is actually something else that just happens to look the same or my system somehow, very infrequently, glitches just for the duration of one LP. I never gave it any thought before. The few times it was there I just removed it. Since most of my recordings show no such problem, I did not consider the odd, very infrequent case a sign that my equipment was acting up, any more than I thought the clicks and pops were the fault of my system rather than the condition of the LP. |
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tinpanalley Normalize Vs Volume increase Jun 29 2011, 23:08
DVDdoug Audacity's Amplify effect has an option of set... Jun 30 2011, 00:43
db1989 tinpanalley, your observation matches tracks that ... Jun 30 2011, 12:31
tinpanalley Thanks so much for the thorough reply. So, 2 quest... Jun 30 2011, 01:06
DVDdoug QUOTE 1. What do you recommend I do with my settin... Jun 30 2011, 01:52
tinpanalley QUOTE (DVDdoug @ Jun 29 2011, 20:52) CDs ... Jun 30 2011, 02:05
AndyH-ha There is no "need" to amplify or normali... Jun 30 2011, 02:55
tinpanalley But doesn't normalizing in making all loudness... Jun 30 2011, 03:09
tropicalfish QUOTE (tinpanalley @ Jun 29 2011, 21:09) ... Jun 30 2011, 05:15
tinpanalley QUOTE (tropicalfish @ Jun 30 2011, 00:15)... Jun 30 2011, 08:31
tinpanalley Well here's what I have... I think this will h... Jun 30 2011, 17:51
tropicalfish Record with Audacity.
Go to Normalize, and check O... Jun 30 2011, 19:25
db1989 QUOTE (tropicalfish @ Jun 30 2011, 19:25)... Jun 30 2011, 19:43
tropicalfish QUOTE (db1989 @ Jun 30 2011, 13:43) QUOTE... Jun 30 2011, 22:51
db1989 QUOTE (tropicalfish @ Jun 30 2011, 22:51)... Jul 1 2011, 13:25
tinpanalley Perhaps I should have also stated that the way I r... Jun 30 2011, 20:31
AndyH-ha A recording made with proper equipment should not ... Jun 30 2011, 20:51
2Bdecided QUOTE (AndyH-ha @ Jun 30 2011, 20:51... Jul 1 2011, 18:19
musicollector QUOTE (AndyH-ha @ Jun 30 2011, 12:51... Nov 28 2011, 04:30
tinpanalley Ok, how about if I just control that from the phon... Jun 30 2011, 20:55
mixminus1 I'll second AndyH's advice on recording bo... Jun 30 2011, 21:01
tinpanalley I basically already do what you're suggesting ... Jun 30 2011, 21:06
AndyH-ha The gain is normally set to leave plenty of headro... Jun 30 2011, 21:24
tinpanalley QUOTE (AndyH-ha @ Jun 30 2011, 16:24... Jun 30 2011, 21:30
DVDdoug QUOTE How do I know if my sound card can handle 32... Jun 30 2011, 21:36
mixminus1 Audacity has the option to export to bit depths gr... Jun 30 2011, 21:40
tinpanalley QUOTE (mixminus1 @ Jun 30 2011, 16:40) Of... Jun 30 2011, 21:43
AndyH-ha Audacity is FREEware.
If may also be adequate for... Jun 30 2011, 22:15
tinpanalley Ok, I'm trying Sound Forge now. Aiming for -6d... Jun 30 2011, 22:16
mixminus1 QUOTE (tinpanalley @ Jun 30 2011, 14:16) ... Jun 30 2011, 22:36
AndyH-ha It may be true that most editors work in floating ... Jun 30 2011, 22:25
tinpanalley No, just that when I choose 32-bit (IEEE float) it... Jun 30 2011, 22:39
tinpanalley You see, that's what I thought. Jun 30 2011, 23:05
tropicalfish There are no 32-bit devices, so why use it? You mi... Jun 30 2011, 23:22
tinpanalley QUOTE (tropicalfish @ Jun 30 2011, 18:22)... Jun 30 2011, 23:52
tropicalfish So you want to record in floating point, and then ... Jul 1 2011, 01:15
tinpanalley I don't really care how I record. I just wanna... Jul 1 2011, 01:28
DVDdoug QUOTE 1. What do you recommend I do with my settin... Jul 1 2011, 01:53
tinpanalley All the 24 and 32 bit stuff still has me really co... Jul 1 2011, 04:08
2Bdecided QUOTE (tinpanalley @ Jul 1 2011, 04:08) I... Jul 1 2011, 18:25
tinpanalley Thanks for the wonderful feedback. Just wanted to ... Jul 1 2011, 19:51
AndyH-ha There exist a continuously varying analogue signal... Jul 1 2011, 06:06
AndyH-ha QUOTE Come on Andy - think that one through proper... Jul 1 2011, 20:36
DVDdoug QUOTE (AndyH-ha @ Jul 1 2011, 12:36)... Jul 1 2011, 22:12
2Bdecided QUOTE (DVDdoug @ Jul 1 2011, 22:12) We... Jul 4 2011, 12:34
DVDdoug QUOTE It's the bits I don't get.OK, I... Jul 1 2011, 21:46
AndyH-ha My experience is based on CoolEdit Statistics repo... Jul 4 2011, 20:32
2Bdecided I think you may think I might be being clever than... Jul 4 2011, 23:34
2Bdecided Vinyl is an intrinsically AC-coupled format. It ha... Jul 5 2011, 14:08
pdq Think of it this way. If there is a DC offset in t... Jul 5 2011, 16:14
tinpanalley Hey all,
I've been absorbing everything you g... Jul 6 2011, 22:37
DVDdoug QUOTE - 32-bit IEEE Float?
- 32-bit PCM? Floating ... Jul 7 2011, 01:34
tinpanalley QUOTE (DVDdoug @ Jul 6 2011, 20:34) [b]Do... Jul 7 2011, 05:06
AndyH-ha I'm curious about this inability to record in ... Jul 7 2011, 09:31
tinpanalley QUOTE (AndyH-ha @ Jul 7 2011, 04:31)... Jul 7 2011, 17:56
tinpanalley This is probably like asking if there is one way t... Jul 7 2011, 18:37
AndyH-ha There are many descriptions of the process publish... Jul 7 2011, 19:20
2Bdecided QUOTE (AndyH-ha @ Jul 7 2011, 19:20)... Jul 8 2011, 12:01
tinpanalley QUOTE (2Bdecided @ Jul 8 2011, 07:01) The... Jul 8 2011, 15:49
DVDdoug QUOTE but is there any series of processes that ar... Jul 7 2011, 20:36
tinpanalley Here's a comparison of the 32-bit, higher gain... Jul 7 2011, 21:04
tinpanalley This sounds great to me as I'm hearing it even... Jul 7 2011, 22:16
greynol No you're not crazy, just know that 32 bits fo... Jul 7 2011, 22:34
DVDdoug QUOTE And normalising... if I get good levels on t... Jul 7 2011, 23:38
tinpanalley Couple of things:
QUOTE (DVDdoug @ Jul 7 201... Jul 7 2011, 23:48
greynol No, they aren't contradictory at all. DVDdoug... Jul 8 2011, 00:03
tinpanalley Ok, my bad. I misunderstood. I have some people te... Jul 8 2011, 00:08
greynol QUOTE (tinpanalley @ Jul 7 2011, 16:08) I... Jul 8 2011, 00:55
DVDdoug QUOTE Then what is the difference to just doing a ... Jul 8 2011, 00:39
tinpanalley QUOTE (DVDdoug @ Jul 7 2011, 19:39) But a... Jul 8 2011, 01:57
AndyH-ha The Sonic Foundry Noise Reduction plugin 2.0 has b... Jul 8 2011, 02:46
greynol I simply wanted to let you know that I respect tha... Jul 8 2011, 02:53
AndyH-ha I made an inquiry elsewhere. I got back that your ... Jul 8 2011, 03:04
tinpanalley Ohhh!!! Well, why didn't someone j... Jul 8 2011, 07:34
AndyH-ha Because Sound Forge has such an unusual approach (... Jul 8 2011, 08:19
tinpanalley QUOTE (AndyH-ha @ Jul 8 2011, 03:19)... Jul 8 2011, 15:45
tinpanalley This is the info from a download from the site (wh... Jul 8 2011, 16:08
2Bdecided Nothing automatic there, just "manual click r... Jul 8 2011, 20:30
DVDdoug QUOTE Is Audacity totally a lame program? Vinyl ca... Jul 8 2011, 20:32
AndyH-ha I 've paid no attention to Audacity for some y... Jul 8 2011, 20:36
tinpanalley QUOTE (AndyH-ha @ Jul 8 2011, 15:36)... Jul 8 2011, 21:09
greynol Um, no, The Beatles were recorded to tape and the ... Jul 8 2011, 21:16
tinpanalley QUOTE (greynol @ Jul 8 2011, 16:16) Um, n... Jul 8 2011, 22:46

greynol Denying that vinyl was the most common medium back... Jul 9 2011, 00:07
2Bdecided QUOTE (greynol @ Jul 8 2011, 21:16) Um, n... Jul 9 2011, 12:30
Juha Couple questions:
Would normalization be more sec... Jul 9 2011, 09:31
AndyH-ha What one gets by normalization is independent of t... Jul 9 2011, 09:40
tinpanalley If I'm going through a recording process with ... Nov 12 2011, 23:24
mjb2006 Why did you bump this thread? Your question has no... Nov 13 2011, 00:20

tinpanalley QUOTE (mjb2006 @ Nov 12 2011, 19:20) Why ... Nov 13 2011, 05:09
botface QUOTE (tinpanalley @ Nov 12 2011, 23:24) ... Nov 13 2011, 10:24
tinpanalley QUOTE (botface @ Nov 13 2011, 05:24) by s... Nov 13 2011, 22:24
2Bdecided QUOTE (tinpanalley @ Nov 13 2011, 22:24) ... Nov 15 2011, 11:23
AndyH-ha It also depends on the channel balance. Some cartr... Nov 15 2011, 11:36
2Bdecided QUOTE (AndyH-ha @ Nov 15 2011, 11:36... Nov 16 2011, 13:43
botface Yes, I wasn't suggesting recording in mono as ... Nov 15 2011, 17:27![]() ![]() |
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