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mudlord
post Aug 5 2011, 03:54
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QUOTE (Northpack @ Aug 4 2011, 08:49) *
QUOTE (pdq @ Aug 4 2011, 13:29) *
And let's not forget that as spoon's database grows, an increasing percentage of the files will not actually need to be uploaded, lowering the bandwidth requirements.

That's certainly the case for a more mainstream collection. However, a large part of my collection consists of rare bootlegs and independent releases which exist in a quantity of 100 or less. I doubt there will be much to deduplicate here...

Let's hope that there will be at least some users with a mainstream music collection so the service can remain affordable

EDIT: Hey, I have an idea! The client could calculate a number, the higher the larger quantity of your collection is deduplicateable and the more the data is related to other users. It would be the ultimate measure for the peculiarity of your own taste: 1 = totally bizarre, 100 = top of the pops biggrin.gif



I thought the idea of the service is a data archive.
Not an service like Apple's where they have the licenses to allow duplication of data and downloading in higher quality. Not to mention commercial contracts with major players.
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post Aug 5 2011, 17:22
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@MichaelW:
Latest. Maybe. So what? It doesn't superseed what most use even though some wish it will eventually.
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post Aug 5 2011, 17:29
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QUOTE (MichaelW @ Aug 4 2011, 22:35) *
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You calculations are really off the mark.

500GB = 500 000MB

500 000 * 8 / 4 / 3600 / 24 = 11 days 14 hours.

Actually, 500 GB = (500 * 1024) = 512 000 MB wink.gif


Actually, by the latest standards, 500GiB = 512 000 MB.

You mean by the actual marketing crap ... a GB is a GB, GiB is some BS to mislead buyers.


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post Aug 5 2011, 23:20
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QUOTE (kwanbis @ Aug 6 2011, 04:29) *
You mean by the actual marketing crap ... a GB is a GB, GiB is some BS to mislead buyers.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Binary_prefix

Most buyers think a kilometer is 1 000 meters, not 1 024 meters, and don't see why it should be different for bytes of disk space.

My (jokey) point was that if you're going to be pedantic, you do need to be accurate.
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post Aug 5 2011, 23:56
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QUOTE (MichaelW @ Aug 5 2011, 22:20) *
QUOTE (kwanbis @ Aug 6 2011, 04:29) *
You mean by the actual marketing crap ... a GB is a GB, GiB is some BS to mislead buyers.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Binary_prefix

Most buyers think a kilometer is 1 000 meters, not 1 024 meters, and don't see why it should be different for bytes of disk space.

My (jokey) point was that if you're going to be pedantic, you do need to be accurate.

Point is that computing is base 2, so the multiples are 1024, and not 1000. He was referring also to GB, you added the i as in GiB which is different from GB.


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post Aug 6 2011, 12:10
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QUOTE (MichaelW @ Aug 6 2011, 00:20) *
QUOTE (kwanbis @ Aug 6 2011, 04:29) *
You mean by the actual marketing crap ... a GB is a GB, GiB is some BS to mislead buyers.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Binary_prefix

Most buyers think a kilometer is 1 000 meters, not 1 024 meters, and don't see why it should be different for bytes of disk space.

My (jokey) point was that if you're going to be pedantic, you do need to be accurate.

You seem to ignore the fact that he was accurate. Just followed a standard that's different from the one you preach.

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post Aug 17 2011, 15:53
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AudioSAFE enters testing Stage 2: Open beta testing, unlimited numbers.

Visit http://www.audiosafe.com for details.


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post Aug 17 2011, 16:11
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Are you planning to support Tak?


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post Aug 17 2011, 18:04
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1) AudioSafe must be made more verbose - I've recently added several flac files and synchronization has taken mere 30 seconds and now I'm not even sure if my remote backup collection matches my locally stored files (even though AudioSafe is now "idle" 100% done).

Can you please add a button which shows something like this:

Stored locally:

Files: 1234
Size: 23 456 789 012 bytes

Stored remotely:

Files: 1234
Size: 23 456 789 012 bytes

These number may differ when synchronization is still in progress. And I suppose there's no need for a button - this information can be made permanent in the UI.

2) Also that would be nice if I could browse my remotely stored files using a visual Explorer like interface to verify that everything is in order.

3) Can you please share some anonymous stats about the current progress, like how many users have syncronized their data, what's the average size of a user collection, what's the ratio between FLAC/MP3/OGG/TAK/etc files, what music genres are preferred, etc - you name it.

4) Does this application store user settings other than in HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\\Software\\Illustrate\\AudioSAFE and HKEY_CURRENT_USER\\Software\\Illustrate\\AudioSAFE registry keys? I'm asking because I want to backup this application settings. Ideally your application should store its settings in one file under e.g. %Application Data%/AudioSafe/settings.ini - or even in an application folder to make it portable.

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post Aug 17 2011, 18:31
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Writing into application installation folder would require running the app as administrator on Vista/Win7 (UAC enabled). Or it would have to be installed into some shared access folder instead of Program Files.

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post Aug 17 2011, 19:47
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Been uploading for 4 days and it still only shows 2% . Think I'm doin it rong.
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post Aug 17 2011, 21:06
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What is your collection size? What upload speed is shown?

I tested with about 100GB and it took 14 days to upload. Most people if they had to restore would find it is 10x faster.


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post Aug 19 2011, 06:36
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7:34:46 : Could not process file :
G:\Music\MP4\xxxxx.mp4
Reason: Storage quota exceeded.

A few minutes later, got a compete flurry of similar messages for the rest of my collection.
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post Aug 19 2011, 07:40
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Files with .MP4 extension are treated as video content and put in your general storage. Rename yours to M4A.


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post Aug 19 2011, 08:03
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QUOTE (Peter @ Aug 19 2011, 08:40) *
Files with .MP4 extension are treated as video content and put in your general storage. Rename yours to M4A.


I find it hard to express my true feelings about this "feature" without violating TOS2 multiple times smile.gif

I'm not renaming my files to fix obvious brain-dead behavior in your application. You're going to break at least for .asf, for .mkv. Hell, you're going to break for .ogg, too.
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post Aug 19 2011, 13:42
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QUOTE (spoon @ Jul 20 2011, 09:56) *
a new venture 'Cloud Audio'.
spoon,

can you communicate who your partners are?

Is the new AudioSAFE forum's Super Moderator "PeterP" the developer of foobar2000?
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post Aug 19 2011, 21:38
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QUOTE (Robertina @ Aug 19 2011, 13:42) *
QUOTE (spoon @ Jul 20 2011, 09:56) *
a new venture 'Cloud Audio'.
spoon,

can you communicate who your partners are?

Is the new AudioSAFE forum's Super Moderator "PeterP" the developer of foobar2000?


Private venture. PeterP is the foobar dev.


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post Aug 20 2011, 02:14
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I am still waiting for your T&C and data retention policies.
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post Aug 20 2011, 06:33
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QUOTE (spoon @ Jul 26 2011, 22:00) *
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Maybe the business model includes re-using all the uploaded tracks/rips. Why rip music on your own if you can let others do all the work for you.

Is there a policy about what happens / Cloud Audio is allowed to do with the uploaded files?


It would be the stupidest business model ever to 're-use' potentially copyrighted audio, and reuse for what exactly?


Not the stupidest business model, if you have a deal with copyright owners (record companies) (theoretically a 1.9 Mio CDs or 500000$ ripping deal)
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post Aug 20 2011, 09:01
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After transcoding my APE archive to TAK a few month ago, TAK support would be great wink.gif

Is it planned for future versions?

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post Aug 24 2011, 19:41
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What's up with AudioSafe backup servers? Today most of the time I've got just 1-2KB/sec upload speed.

(Running AudioSafe 1.0.0.3)

And no one has answered my post.

OK, registry settings are not enough, after merging two reg files on a newly reinstalled Windows, AudioSafe has lost my collection (Z:\Audio) and started with "%USER%\My Music". I've quickly paused AudioSafe and rerun it with my "old" collection and now it wants to upload almost all files again. That's insane. Reuploading 50GB of data ... sad.gif

AudioSafe has detected just 17% of my audio collection as already uploaded (or probably as duplicates). That's a mess.

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post Aug 24 2011, 19:54
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Just checked server is normal, accepting backups and reading at a level it has done all week. It is running at 1% of network capacity.


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post Aug 24 2011, 19:56
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If your account has previously uploaded the tracks, they would not be uploaded again, hence the 2 kb whilst it checks through the files again.


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QUOTE (spoon @ Aug 25 2011, 00:56) *
If your account has previously uploaded the tracks, they would not be uploaded again, hence the 2 kb whilst it checks through the files again.


Thanks for letting us know. However that would be nice if the application actually said that ("verifying tracks" or something like that) instead of showing an abysmal upload speed smile.gif

Luckily AudioSafe hasn't reuploaded all the tracks, the application was verifying them, albeit very slowly.

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post Aug 26 2011, 12:49
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A quick note to say we have released Beta 4.


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