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cupelix
post May 3 2003, 00:27
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Thanks in Advance for any help one of you might offer.


I am far from an Audio Pro, yet have been trying to take some old cassette tapes and restore the sound quality they originally had, and enhance it even. As for this file in particular it seems to have lost its high's and mids. When I run it through a simple EQ plugin I just dont get the clarity I need, it just sounds worse.


Here is the steps I took in recording this tape.

#1 - Used a brand new Sony Tape deck , with preamp mixer and got the sound quality as close to 0 DB as I could (as reccomended by many audio recording sites I have read). I recorded at 44.1 hz, 16 bit through my SBLIVE card. I saw no loss in quality from tape to digital.

#2 - I then loaded Wavlab and watched the spectrum analyser and saw the highs and some mids were very low. I tried to raise this up in value but it just made the sound even more distorted than it already was.


I have many tapes like this I would like to restore, re-master (or whatever the term is). I have attached this file (in original .wav format) and uploaded it to the alt.binaries.sound.mp3 newsgroup. The topic is called:

"Sound Pro's can you give tips on how to fix this Audio File? Email - Trick@lvcm.com"

You can also download the .wav file clip at - http://www.lvcm.com/trick/badwav/badwav.wav


Any help on cleanup (what software/settings to use), examples , web links on fixing this sorta of stuff is GREATLY appreciated!!!! Heck if someone wants to clean it up themselves and email it back with the steps you used to do it, that would even be better.

This advice would be Pricessless, thanks again in advance to anyone who can help this audio newbie.

Email - trick@lvcm.com


Thanks,

Trick


PS - I have read about the CEDAR system, is this hardware based only???
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post Oct 16 2013, 14:20
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As neither tapes decks nor soundcards universally adhere to the de-facto standard of 0dB FS = 2Vrms, then if the output of the tape deck is too high for the input of the soundcard, you need something between tape deck and soundcard to avoid clipping (unless the sound card lets you properly adjust the levels - many do, but some pretend to lower the level but still distort/clip the signal then just digitise the distorted signal at a lower level!).

If it's just a case of the output of the tape deck being a little too low for the input of the sound card, and the sound card is half decent, then I agree with raynault: no point introducing an additional analogue gain stage. Digital gain after capture will be good enough, and usually better.


If you think about it, it's strange that decent turntables rarely have built-in pre-amps, but cassette decks always do. Hence most integrated amplifiers expect to receive line-level with flat EQ from a tape deck, and a much lower level with RIAA EQ from a turntable cartridge. It wasn't always like this. I have an integrated amplifier from 1961, and it has low level inputs for signals direct from a phono cartridge and a tape head, plus various different equalisations that can be applied in either case. I'll never forget connecting a modern tape deck to the tape head input! TAPE (COMP) was the input from a head, and TAPE (FLAT) was the normal line level input. I didn't get it wrong again.

Cheers,
David.
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- cupelix   How to Clean up Cassette to Digital   May 3 2003, 00:27
- - dreamliner77   JUst a thought If you are recording the wav's...   May 3 2003, 00:41
- - TwoJ   Hi Cupelix PSS - Cedar is a company that does aud...   May 3 2003, 01:49
- - Pio2001   24/96 soundcards should bring nothing for recordin...   May 3 2003, 02:17
- - cupelix   Thanks for the helpfuls replies guys. In response ...   May 3 2003, 02:49
- - TwoJ   Sorry Pio2001 - I didn't mean to imply that sw...   May 3 2003, 03:18
- - woody_woodward   This topic is fascinating to me. I've done se...   May 3 2003, 06:19
- - Andavari   I'm interested in what the results would and w...   May 3 2003, 06:48
- - JeanLuc   QUOTE (Pio2001 @ May 3 2003 - 01:17 AM)1-I sh...   May 3 2003, 09:37
- - Pio2001   QUOTE (cupelix @ May 3 2003 - 04:49 AM)As far...   May 3 2003, 14:39
- - cupelix   I dont know if any of you bothered to download the...   May 4 2003, 00:36
- - woody_woodward   I tried downloading the WAV from your original pos...   May 6 2003, 19:15
- - Xenion   Nakamichi Tapedeck + Nakamichi High Comp II => ...   May 6 2003, 19:21
- - Mac   I want to have a go with your file, but I also rec...   May 6 2003, 22:09
- - _Shorty   usually when it doesn't state which type of Do...   May 7 2003, 02:56
- - DickD   First, I'd agree that you should leave some he...   May 7 2003, 13:25
- - JeanLuc   QUOTE (Pio2001 @ May 3 2003 - 01:39 PM)An MA-...   May 7 2003, 14:43
- - 2Bdecided   I think the same name has been applied to differen...   May 7 2003, 17:19
|- - knutinh   QUOTE (2Bdecided @ May 7 2003, 17:19) IIR...   Oct 17 2013, 07:56
|- - 2Bdecided   QUOTE (knutinh @ Oct 17 2013, 07:56) QUOT...   Oct 17 2013, 12:47
- - gleib   QUOTE (Pio2001 @ May 3 2003 - 05:39 AM)QUOTE ...   May 7 2003, 18:48
- - raynault   I do A LOT of Tapes, mine are all voice. First u...   Oct 16 2013, 05:26
|- - pdq   QUOTE (raynault @ Oct 16 2013, 00:26) Fir...   Oct 16 2013, 13:33
- - 2Bdecided   As neither tapes decks nor soundcards universally ...   Oct 16 2013, 14:20
- - AndyH-ha   There is nothing in the signal path to vary the le...   Oct 16 2013, 22:01
- - raynault   Usually the "pre amp" in the tape player...   Oct 24 2013, 17:40
- - 2Bdecided   QUOTE (raynault @ Oct 24 2013, 17:40) Dav...   Oct 25 2013, 09:54


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