foo_dsp_xfeed, Crossfeed |
foo_dsp_xfeed, Crossfeed |
Sep 12 2011, 18:50
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![]() Group: Developer Posts: 304 Joined: 29-April 11 From: Austria Member No.: 90198 |
Heya,
this is the discussion thread for foo_dsp_xfeed, a Crossfeed DSP component. For those who don't know what that is: it enables a more relaxed and natural listening experience with headphones. A more detailed explanation why and how it works is given below. Download Usage 1) Install the downloaded zip file using the Components preferences page. 2) Add "Crossfeed" to the list of active DSPs (Playback - DSP Manager preferences page). 3) Configure it. Explanation Let's take a look at the image below. ![]() When listening with headphones, the left ear only hears sound coming from the left speaker (LL) and the right ear only the sound coming from the right speaker (RR). This often results in unnatural stereo separation or spaciousness and can cause listening fatigue. When listening with speakers, sound from the right speaker also arrives at the left ear (RL), with a small time delay though. This time delay is known as interaural time difference (ITD). Additionally, there's a difference in level known as interaural level difference (ILD). In the image above, line thickness indicates these level differences. In reality, things aren't that simple. The level difference, for example, is not constant because the head obstructs higher frequencies a lot better than low frequencies (aka head shadow). While at low frequencies the attenuation can be as low as and even lower than 3 dB, it can reach up to about 20 dB at high frequencies. To make things more complex, both the ITD and ILD change depending on the angle of the speakers. As the delay and level differences are reduced to zero, the left and right speakers merge into a single center speaker (effectively mono). How is this DSP component different from ... Compared to simple crossfeed effects, this implementation does not only crossfeed bass and lower mids but all frequencies up to Fs/2. By configuring crossfeed levels for both low and high frequencies, this DSP can be set up to mimic the acoustic shadow of your own head. -> For example, hi-hat sounds panned hard to the left/right on a recording can be moved "out of the head" coherently with all the other instruments. The configuration dialog looks like this: ![]() Please give it a try and let me know what you think, thanks. This post has been edited by xnor: Sep 19 2011, 22:58 |
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Feb 3 2012, 19:09
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Group: Members Posts: 310 Joined: 15-August 09 Member No.: 72330 |
Thanks, I found this component very easy to tweak , and the explanations quite good.
I compared with the redline monitor vst, it's not as straightforward and couldn't achieve the same result. The tb iso prone sound too much like a reverb, and I hate that it reset itself when I use it with the vst adapter. And for a reverb, I rather use good stereo IR with my favorite vst. The default settings were too much for me. Using : ILD low : -5.5 db ILD high: -19 db ITD : 85 us I don't know to which speaker position this would correspond, but that's nice & enough subtle . I know a free vst "head-fit" that seems similar , but that introduces more settings, I copy/paste: QUOTE ILD LF means interaural level difference at low frequencies ITD LF time is for interaural delay between ears at low frequencies in ms ILD HF interaural level difference at high frequencies ITD HF time is interaural delay between ears at high frequencies F central is used to adjust the frequency between lows and highs Unfortunately I didn't manage to make it work inside foobar. |
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Feb 3 2012, 19:33
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![]() Group: Developer Posts: 304 Joined: 29-April 11 From: Austria Member No.: 90198 |
Thanks, I found this component very easy to tweak , and the explanations quite good. Hey, glad you enjoy it as much as I do. QUOTE I don't know to which speaker position this would correspond, but that's nice & enough subtle . Well that's hard to say. Those ILD values are an indication of a wide angle, the ITD on the other hand corresponds to about 10° if I'm not mistaken. But since the ILD dominates with your settings I guess the ITD value doesn't matter very much. QUOTE I know a free vst "head-fit" that seems similar , but that introduces more settings, I copy/paste: I also know that one. More settings are great but for lower frequencies our ear mainly evaluates time differences and above ~1.6 kHz mainly level differences are evaluated so being able to configure a different ITD for high frequencies doesn't seem important. But I've noted it down on my todo/look into list. |
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Feb 3 2012, 20:00
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Group: Members Posts: 310 Joined: 15-August 09 Member No.: 72330 |
QUOTE Well that's hard to say. Those ILD values are an indication of a wide angle, the ITD on the other hand corresponds to about 10° if I'm not mistaken. But since the ILD dominates with your settings I guess the ITD value doesn't matter very much. Well, I still notice the effects of ITD despite my ILD settings. Anyway, I wasn't looking for a "speaker like" soundstage when adjusting the settings, just something relaxing and enjoyable. |
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xnor foo_dsp_xfeed Sep 12 2011, 18:50
mudlord Nice.
Put it right in and worked outta the box. Sep 13 2011, 11:46
Steve Forte Rio Can't hear any considerable differences from ... Sep 13 2011, 14:01
xnor I updated the first post which should hopefully an... Sep 13 2011, 15:48
Steve Forte Rio Thanks.
Please, add the "Load Defaults" ... Sep 13 2011, 20:14
markanini This one really nails the illusion of listening to... Sep 14 2011, 04:16
markanini xnor, after listening to my favorite albums throug... Sep 16 2011, 00:37
xnor I'm glad you enjoy it as much as I do.
The de... Sep 16 2011, 15:47
markanini QUOTE (xnor @ Sep 16 2011, 16:47) I'm... Sep 17 2011, 01:14
j_b Fascinating. Headphone users are using DSP to add ... Sep 16 2011, 23:18
xnor QUOTE (j_b @ Sep 17 2011, 00:18) Fascinat... Sep 16 2011, 23:41
j_b QUOTE (xnor @ Sep 16 2011, 16:41) ...addi... Sep 17 2011, 00:12
xnor QUOTE (j_b @ Sep 17 2011, 01:12) But that... Sep 17 2011, 00:26
j_b QUOTE (xnor @ Sep 16 2011, 17:26) There a... Sep 17 2011, 03:53
xnor QUOTE (markanini @ Sep 17 2011, 02:14) Th... Sep 17 2011, 12:28
markanini QUOTE (xnor @ Sep 17 2011, 13:28) 0.15/(2... Sep 17 2011, 14:22
jaro1 Headphone DSPs have had always my interest, so tha... Sep 18 2011, 18:36
xnor QUOTE (jaro1 @ Sep 18 2011, 19:36) Does y... Sep 18 2011, 19:30
jaro1 Thanks for your comment, i must definitely try you... Sep 18 2011, 21:52
xnor I gave it a try quite some time ago so I'll ha... Sep 18 2011, 22:18
Sandrine The positioning of instruments is indeed more agre... Sep 20 2011, 13:24
xnor Sandrine, with the latest release you can adjust t... Sep 20 2011, 14:37
Ihmemies Thanks for this.
It's interesting to find and... Sep 21 2011, 00:38
xnor QUOTE (jaro1 @ Sep 18 2011, 22:52) Howeve... Sep 22 2011, 20:01
The Link Sorry for being a little off topic. In the lack of... Sep 22 2011, 21:19
xnor Thanks for mentioning it, The Link. Even a simple ... Sep 22 2011, 22:30
kumbbl first of all thanks for this very nice plugins - e... Sep 23 2011, 13:12
xnor QUOTE (kumbbl @ Sep 23 2011, 14:12) One q... Sep 23 2011, 13:51
jaro1 Thanks for commenting TB Isone, glad to hear your ... Sep 24 2011, 12:59
Fool_on_the_hill hello. Thank you xnor for another great crossfeed ... Oct 5 2011, 14:59
xnor I always found that dolbyhp adds quite some amount... Oct 5 2011, 15:42
markanini Xnor, do you recomend having crossfeed turned on o... Oct 5 2011, 16:18
xnor QUOTE (markanini @ Oct 5 2011, 17:18) Xno... Oct 5 2011, 17:24
markanini QUOTE (xnor @ Oct 5 2011, 18:24) QUOTE (m... Oct 6 2011, 20:51
jaro1 Finally i've had an opportunity to try xfeed a... Oct 6 2011, 20:12
jaro1 I wanted slightly revise my last comment in favour... Oct 12 2011, 19:31
xnor QUOTE (markanini @ Oct 6 2011, 21:51) [..... Oct 12 2011, 20:21
jaro1 QUOTE (xnor @ Oct 12 2011, 21:21) ...but ... Oct 13 2011, 07:35
vittau Thank you xnor, both your crossfeed and equalizer ... Oct 28 2011, 20:36
xnor Noted. You're right. I think it would already ... Oct 29 2011, 09:37
markanini xnor, Do you think your crossfeed works best with ... Nov 9 2011, 19:17
xnor Hmm I'd say that the reduction of stereo separ... Nov 12 2011, 18:18
markanini Let me check if I understood your point, so headph... Nov 13 2011, 01:10
markanini Did further searching, the ID-HRTF above has one l... Nov 13 2011, 10:48
markanini Xnor, is the HF cutoff preset or dependent on othe... Dec 19 2011, 23:31
markanini I've compared head-fit to xfeed a while back. ... Feb 15 2012, 11:42
YellowOnion Do you take into account speaker distance from Lis... Oct 12 2012, 01:01
markanini A new contender? http://europe.beyerdynamic.com/vi... Apr 12 2013, 04:34
Propheticus I find the effects to sound quite realistic (espec... Apr 12 2013, 11:55
extrabigmehdi QUOTE (Propheticus @ Apr 12 2013, 10:55) ... Apr 12 2013, 13:33
Propheticus This* is not a crossfeed however, it is a room vir... Apr 12 2013, 14:30
extrabigmehdi QUOTE (Propheticus @ Apr 12 2013, 13:30) ... Apr 12 2013, 20:58![]() ![]() |
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