New Standard: USAC, sussesor of (HE)-AAC |
New Standard: USAC, sussesor of (HE)-AAC |
Sep 16 2011, 06:09
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It's a new standard (Unified Speech and Audio Coding – USAC, aka MPEG-D part 3).
It has reached a status of Final Draft International Standard. Basic information http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unified_Speech_and_Audio_Coding There are some papers about new compression schemes in internet. There was a verification test where USAC was compared to HE-AAC v1/v2 on range of bitrates 8-96 kbps. http://mpeg.chiariglione.org/meetings/tori...orino_press.htm The report should be available in September – October. Some anonymous source has indicated that USAC was clearly superior to HE-AAC and it did very good on speech though something like "USAC at 48 kpbs = HE-AAC at 64 kbps" shouldn't be expected. It's more like 20-25% of bitrate gain at 20-32 kbps and 10-12% at 64 kbps. That's still pretty good. There is no information if USAC will be used at higher bitrates as ( LC-AAC's area). The core coder of USAC includes a new enhanced SBR (eSBR). Both SBR and new eSBR have no advantage over LC-AAC at bitrates higher than 80 kbps. It’s unclear if eSBR can be disabled at higher bitrates. It will be interesting to hear opinions and if somebody knows something more about it. |
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Oct 13 2011, 16:00
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@polemon, you're familiar with Opus, I assume? Without derailing the thread, I'd be curious to see USAC and Opus put to the test when the bitstreams freeze, and the encoders become available. The licensing aspect of USAC (and AAC, and MP3 before it) is of course always an issue for commercial usage, but dealing purely with quality/transparency for equivalent kbps seems to be a more fair way to judge their respective value, for consumers at least.
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Oct 13 2011, 22:35
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I'd be curious to see USAC and Opus put to the test when the bitstreams freeze, and the encoders become available. While it's possible to compare any codecs still it should be mention that USAC and Opus target for different applications. USAC will have high delay and Opus is low delay codec. It's a possibility that later there will be low delay fork of USAC as AAC-LD (low delay LC-AAC), AAC-ELD (low delay HE-AAC v1), AAC-ELD v2 (low delay HE-AAC + a new parametric stereo from MPEG Surround). The cost of low delay comes with a loss of coding efficiency (1.3-1.5x higher bitrate for the same quality). For example AAC-ELD 32 kbps (delay 33.3 ms) has an equivalent quality as HE-AAC 24 kbps. (1.33x higher bitrate). Furthermore if the delay of ~20-25 ms is required then unfortunately there is nothing can be done but to disable low delay SBR. This post has been edited by IgorC: Oct 13 2011, 22:39 |
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IgorC New Standard: USAC Sep 16 2011, 06:09
IgorC USAC verification test report Oct 12 2011, 19:57
C.R.Helmrich Thanks for posting that link, Igor! I've a... Oct 12 2011, 21:49
IgorC QUOTE (C.R.Helmrich @ Oct 12 2011, 17:49)... Oct 13 2011, 02:53
FreaqyFrequency Cool stuff! Always exciting to see the prospe... Oct 13 2011, 01:53
Speckmade QUOTE (FreaqyFrequency @ Oct 13 2011, 02... Jul 12 2012, 18:52
Canar QUOTE (Speckmade @ Jul 12 2012, 10:52) On... Jul 12 2012, 19:00
polemon For me, as a Linux user, developer of embedded sys... Oct 13 2011, 15:34
C.R.Helmrich QUOTE (polemon @ Oct 13 2011, 16:34) I re... Oct 13 2011, 20:40
polemon QUOTE (C.R.Helmrich) Well, (HE-)AAC is used in DAB... Oct 13 2011, 22:23

C.R.Helmrich QUOTE (polemon @ Oct 13 2011, 23:23) The ... Oct 14 2011, 20:35

Garf QUOTE (C.R.Helmrich @ Oct 14 2011, 21:35)... Oct 15 2011, 15:15
Garf QUOTE (C.R.Helmrich @ Oct 13 2011, 21:40)... Oct 14 2011, 07:04
Speckmade QUOTE (C.R.Helmrich @ Oct 13 2011, 21:40)... Jul 12 2012, 21:11
Garf QUOTE (Speckmade @ Jul 12 2012, 22:11) Be... Jul 12 2012, 22:16
polemon Well, I don't want to be an evangelist of any ... Oct 13 2011, 18:32
smok3 polemon, interesting, but if you wanna do it ... Oct 13 2011, 19:35
hlloyge Problem with Linux isn't finding encoders for ... Oct 13 2011, 20:58
C.R.Helmrich Well, USAC is just that: a general purpose codec. ... Oct 13 2011, 21:25
IgorC Nice,
It will be great to see an implementation ... Oct 13 2011, 21:30
ksuman QUOTE (IgorC @ Oct 13 2011, 21:30) Nice, ... May 16 2012, 06:26
smok3 QUOTE your Linux distributor of choice licenses a ... Oct 14 2011, 20:51
Garf QUOTE (smok3 @ Oct 14 2011, 21:51) - to p... Oct 15 2011, 15:22
smok3 i meant paying (or just allowing closed binaries) ... Oct 15 2011, 19:58
IgorC Reference software
http://www.itscj.ipsj.or.jp/sc2... Jun 3 2012, 17:55
Garf QUOTE (IgorC @ Jun 3 2012, 18:55) Referen... Aug 3 2012, 16:07
C.R.Helmrich QUOTE (Garf @ Aug 3 2012, 17:07) In true ... Aug 3 2012, 16:36
Garf QUOTE (C.R.Helmrich @ Aug 3 2012, 17:36) ... Aug 3 2012, 17:04
IgorC QUOTE (C.R.Helmrich @ Aug 3 2012, 12:36) ... Aug 3 2012, 17:30
pdq I think you will find that no matter how many time... Jul 12 2012, 19:13
benski One thing that's curious about USAC. Much of ... Jul 12 2012, 20:29
IgorC Maybe it's this particular encoder.
Because ... Aug 3 2012, 17:02
C.R.Helmrich QUOTE (IgorC @ Aug 3 2012, 18:02) Because... Aug 3 2012, 20:08![]() ![]() |
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