New Standard: USAC, sussesor of (HE)-AAC |
New Standard: USAC, sussesor of (HE)-AAC |
Sep 16 2011, 06:09
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It's a new standard (Unified Speech and Audio Coding – USAC, aka MPEG-D part 3).
It has reached a status of Final Draft International Standard. Basic information http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unified_Speech_and_Audio_Coding There are some papers about new compression schemes in internet. There was a verification test where USAC was compared to HE-AAC v1/v2 on range of bitrates 8-96 kbps. http://mpeg.chiariglione.org/meetings/tori...orino_press.htm The report should be available in September – October. Some anonymous source has indicated that USAC was clearly superior to HE-AAC and it did very good on speech though something like "USAC at 48 kpbs = HE-AAC at 64 kbps" shouldn't be expected. It's more like 20-25% of bitrate gain at 20-32 kbps and 10-12% at 64 kbps. That's still pretty good. There is no information if USAC will be used at higher bitrates as ( LC-AAC's area). The core coder of USAC includes a new enhanced SBR (eSBR). Both SBR and new eSBR have no advantage over LC-AAC at bitrates higher than 80 kbps. It’s unclear if eSBR can be disabled at higher bitrates. It will be interesting to hear opinions and if somebody knows something more about it. |
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Oct 13 2011, 01:53
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Group: Members Posts: 58 Joined: 4-October 11 From: VA Beach, VA Member No.: 94145 |
Cool stuff! Always exciting to see the prospects of where better coding will be able to take us, especially low-bitrate streaming. If we are able to achieve perceptual transparency in bitrates under 50kbps within the next five years, that would be pretty amazing.
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Jul 12 2012, 18:52
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If we are able to achieve perceptual transparency in bitrates under 50kbps within the next five years, that would be pretty amazing. Given that I think I remember figures of about 64 kbps for the amount of data that the brain receives from your ears that would truely be something. On top of that you can use those new general purpose data compression tools, that can compress input regardless of content by ~30 % - and because their effect is given independent from the contents you can recursively feed their output back into them and compress every piece of audio down to 1 bit. - Amazeing! |
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Jul 12 2012, 19:00
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On top of that you can use those new general purpose data compression tools, that can compress input regardless of content by ~30 % - and because their effect is given independent from the contents you can recursively feed their output back into them and compress every piece of audio down to 1 bit. - Amazeing! You're funny.-------------------- (atrix|(fb2k->e-mu 0404 usb|audio 8 dj))->hd280|jvc ha-fx35-b
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IgorC New Standard: USAC Sep 16 2011, 06:09
IgorC USAC verification test report Oct 12 2011, 19:57
C.R.Helmrich Thanks for posting that link, Igor! I've a... Oct 12 2011, 21:49
IgorC QUOTE (C.R.Helmrich @ Oct 12 2011, 17:49)... Oct 13 2011, 02:53
polemon For me, as a Linux user, developer of embedded sys... Oct 13 2011, 15:34
C.R.Helmrich QUOTE (polemon @ Oct 13 2011, 16:34) I re... Oct 13 2011, 20:40
polemon QUOTE (C.R.Helmrich) Well, (HE-)AAC is used in DAB... Oct 13 2011, 22:23

C.R.Helmrich QUOTE (polemon @ Oct 13 2011, 23:23) The ... Oct 14 2011, 20:35

Garf QUOTE (C.R.Helmrich @ Oct 14 2011, 21:35)... Oct 15 2011, 15:15
Garf QUOTE (C.R.Helmrich @ Oct 13 2011, 21:40)... Oct 14 2011, 07:04
Speckmade QUOTE (C.R.Helmrich @ Oct 13 2011, 21:40)... Jul 12 2012, 21:11
Garf QUOTE (Speckmade @ Jul 12 2012, 22:11) Be... Jul 12 2012, 22:16
FreaqyFrequency @polemon, you're familiar with Opus, I assume?... Oct 13 2011, 16:00
polemon Well, I don't want to be an evangelist of any ... Oct 13 2011, 18:32
IgorC QUOTE (FreaqyFrequency @ Oct 13 2011, 12... Oct 13 2011, 22:35
smok3 polemon, interesting, but if you wanna do it ... Oct 13 2011, 19:35
hlloyge Problem with Linux isn't finding encoders for ... Oct 13 2011, 20:58
C.R.Helmrich Well, USAC is just that: a general purpose codec. ... Oct 13 2011, 21:25
IgorC Nice,
It will be great to see an implementation ... Oct 13 2011, 21:30
ksuman QUOTE (IgorC @ Oct 13 2011, 21:30) Nice, ... May 16 2012, 06:26
smok3 QUOTE your Linux distributor of choice licenses a ... Oct 14 2011, 20:51
Garf QUOTE (smok3 @ Oct 14 2011, 21:51) - to p... Oct 15 2011, 15:22
smok3 i meant paying (or just allowing closed binaries) ... Oct 15 2011, 19:58
IgorC Reference software
http://www.itscj.ipsj.or.jp/sc2... Jun 3 2012, 17:55
Garf QUOTE (IgorC @ Jun 3 2012, 18:55) Referen... Aug 3 2012, 16:07
C.R.Helmrich QUOTE (Garf @ Aug 3 2012, 17:07) In true ... Aug 3 2012, 16:36
Garf QUOTE (C.R.Helmrich @ Aug 3 2012, 17:36) ... Aug 3 2012, 17:04
IgorC QUOTE (C.R.Helmrich @ Aug 3 2012, 12:36) ... Aug 3 2012, 17:30
pdq I think you will find that no matter how many time... Jul 12 2012, 19:13
benski One thing that's curious about USAC. Much of ... Jul 12 2012, 20:29
IgorC Maybe it's this particular encoder.
Because ... Aug 3 2012, 17:02
C.R.Helmrich QUOTE (IgorC @ Aug 3 2012, 18:02) Because... Aug 3 2012, 20:08![]() ![]() |
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