Sampling/Time Resolution - In search of sources |
Sampling/Time Resolution - In search of sources |
Oct 4 2011, 21:36
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Group: Members Posts: 58 Joined: 4-October 11 From: VA Beach, VA Member No.: 94145 |
Greetings all,
I've been lurking on these forums for about the last year, and I finally signed up today to pick the brains of some of the more knowledgeable individuals here. On Saturday, I'm giving an 8 minute informative speech on the essential elements of digital audio (PCM to be exact, leaving DSD out given the time limit), why it was a logical progression from analog recording and storage technology, and a brief sketch of lossy/lossless implementations of it. My primary objective at this point is to get a rock solid source, stating that (and why) any sampling rate is able to capture a given bandlimited source with perfect time resolution (ignoring frequency response and filtering in this case, dealing only with time). I was encouraged to touch upon this point in particular because of a presentation I found on YouTube a few months back, whose essential message was "Digital is bad because you hear the music as packets rather than as an analog waveform" and was advocating that everyone dispense with their digital media and go get a turntable and vinyls. My intent is to disprove the "packets" notion, and this source is the closest I have seen to doing that as of now: http://www.tonmeister.ca/main/textbook/node639.html If anyone could supply further documentation (or their own findings/conclusions on the matter), that would be most appreciated. Thanks! |
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Oct 5 2011, 03:14
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Group: Members Posts: 58 Joined: 4-October 11 From: VA Beach, VA Member No.: 94145 |
Again, many thanks for all the replies, extremely informative stuff. The number of hits this has gotten in the time it's been up absolutely makes my jaw drop. This doesn't happen on any other forum I actively participate in.
In light of the last two replies concerning my audience, it'd probably be prudent to note at this point that this is a basic college Public Speaking course. My main objective is going to be capturing and holding the audience's attention on my topic; they will not (generally) have a clue about any of the technical details I'm going to be getting into, which is why I'm going for brevity and for concise information that is most effective to my end. I may have one or two classmates ask me for further information on something (if I get massively lucky), but I highly doubt that any of them will have the expertise (or the desire) to challenge me on anything in particular. This request for sources on this specific issue is mainly for preparedness, in case someone down the line tries to say "Well, CD isn't good enough because you only get 22.7 µs of resolution per sample; there must be information missing there." I've seen this stuff on various audiophilia-centered forums, with other arguments coming in such as "Some instruments have rise times as low as 10 µs", yadda yadda...I'm sure you're all quite well aware of the type, so I won't go on. ;) All an attempt to arm myself with knowledge, especially when it is so readily available in this age. This post has been edited by FreaqyFrequency: Oct 5 2011, 03:30 |
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Oct 5 2011, 09:25
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![]() Group: Members Posts: 1049 Joined: 16-February 08 From: NL Member No.: 51347 |
The number of hits this has gotten in the time it's been up absolutely makes my jaw drop. This doesn't happen on any other forum I actively participate in. HA is especially invested in providing extra cups to those mules/horses/whathaveyou who have led themselves to water and are obviously willing to drink. |
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Oct 5 2011, 19:54
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Group: Super Moderator Posts: 4333 Joined: 23-June 06 Member No.: 32180 |
I, too, like that analogy—and dhromed’s!
This sounds like an interesting presentation that will clarify the issue and/or dispel myths for the audience, so I’m glad HA has helped you to find good sources, and I hope it goes well for you! recording or it didn’t happen This post has been edited by db1989: Oct 5 2011, 19:57 |
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FreaqyFrequency Sampling/Time Resolution - In search of sources Oct 4 2011, 21:36
saratoga QUOTE (FreaqyFrequency @ Oct 4 2011, 16:3... Oct 4 2011, 21:40
benski http://www.dspguide.com/ch3/3.htm
Another good to... Oct 4 2011, 21:41
FreaqyFrequency Wow, you guys are quick on the draw! Thorough... Oct 4 2011, 21:56
C.R.Helmrich Was about to post the link that benski already pos... Oct 4 2011, 22:19
xnor Some introductory wiki pages:
Sampling
Nyquist-Sha... Oct 4 2011, 22:42
Speedskater You might look through member "woodinville... Oct 4 2011, 23:21
knutinh It is called Shannon-Nyquist sampling theoreme, an... Oct 5 2011, 01:44
Axon All I can suggest is to read this section from the... Oct 5 2011, 02:23
drewfx The critical piece of information to stress to ... Oct 5 2011, 17:38
benski QUOTE (drewfx @ Oct 5 2011, 12:38) The cr... Oct 5 2011, 18:02
dhromed QUOTE (drewfx @ Oct 5 2011, 18:38) When t... Oct 6 2011, 10:03
FreaqyFrequency That is a great analogy, and analogies will be a s... Oct 5 2011, 19:02
DVDdoug QUOTE When the digital signal is converted back to... Oct 6 2011, 00:03
krabapple If you want to see the sorts of trainwrecks that h... Oct 6 2011, 01:22
2Bdecided QUOTE (krabapple @ Oct 6 2011, 01:22) If ... Oct 6 2011, 12:42
Woodinville The time resolution of a PROPERLY reconstructed PC... Oct 8 2011, 03:12
Woodinville QUOTE (Woodinville @ Oct 7 2011, 19:12) T... Oct 9 2011, 00:04
Northpack QUOTE (Woodinville @ Oct 8 2011, 03:12) T... Oct 9 2011, 11:28
Woodinville QUOTE (Northpack @ Oct 9 2011, 03:28) Tha... Oct 9 2011, 11:45
FreaqyFrequency Thank you very much JJ, I've been following yo... Oct 8 2011, 17:33
FreaqyFrequency So I was flipping through some of my documents as ... Feb 12 2012, 23:47
MichaelW As the thread has been resurrected, and as the mis... Feb 13 2012, 01:48
2Bdecided QUOTE (MichaelW @ Feb 13 2012, 00:48) two... Feb 13 2012, 16:12
knutinh QUOTE (2Bdecided @ Feb 13 2012, 17:12) On... Feb 13 2012, 22:21
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