"Music Sounds Better on Vinyl", I am so tired of this argument being brought up by the layperson |
"Music Sounds Better on Vinyl", I am so tired of this argument being brought up by the layperson |
Oct 13 2011, 17:56
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http://www.huffingtonpost.com/mona-elyafi/..._b_1008876.html
Ugh. Of special note is the 5th paragraph where she basically shoots herself in the foot: "Now I don't pretend to be a tech whiz by any means and I am sure I know absolutely nothing about how it all works and why, but the one thing I know for certain though is that music sounds better on vinyl." If they approve my comment, it should be the first one. |
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Feb 11 2012, 22:56
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And I think one non-highly-technical version of the question of 'resolution' could be two-fold,
1. what is the smallest change in level that the human ear can resolve? (my understanding is that, at best, with an appropriate probe signal, it's 0.2dB, so that the standard target for level-matching it to match to within 0.2dB) 2. does 16bit format permit that small a difference to be resolved? (yes) Then there is a slightly different approach -- what is the 'quietest' signal that can be distinguished above background noise? That depends on the background noise level. Tape's and vinyl's is higher than Redbook's, so...... This post has been edited by krabapple: Feb 11 2012, 22:57 |
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Feb 13 2012, 16:24
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And I think one non-highly-technical version of the question of 'resolution' could be two-fold, 1. what is the smallest change in level that the human ear can resolve? (my understanding is that, at best, with an appropriate probe signal, it's 0.2dB, so that the standard target for level-matching it to match to within 0.2dB) 2. does 16bit format permit that small a difference to be resolved? (yes) Then there is a slightly different approach -- what is the 'quietest' signal that can be distinguished above background noise? That depends on the background noise level. Tape's and vinyl's is higher than Redbook's, so...... That's basically what I was getting at. A common and quite old argument about the superiority of vinyl is basically about missing information and it seems pretty straightforward to refute with regard to the highest frequency that can be reproduced because it's very rare for anyone to hear any higher than 22,050 Hz, but I wasn't clear on whether the 16 bit format surpassed the capabilities of the human ear. If it does, then arguments about vinyl being better for that reason seem to also be wrong in a similar way. |
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ozmosis82 "Music Sounds Better on Vinyl" Oct 13 2011, 17:56
dhromed I don't mind vinyl lovers liking the physical ... Oct 13 2011, 18:32
Canar It's an opinion piece, nothing more. Music sou... Oct 13 2011, 20:00
C.R.Helmrich Indeed. An opinion of a person who grew up with vi... Oct 13 2011, 20:12
DVDdoug How did on opinion piece leak onto The Huffington ... Oct 13 2011, 20:23
Brand I think your rant is a bit out of place here. It... Oct 13 2011, 21:29
tawd As she admits she is not aware of the technical as... Oct 13 2011, 23:27
Cavaille QUOTE And I'm not just talking about the way i... Oct 14 2011, 01:28
polemon I believe, that what she's referring to, is th... Oct 14 2011, 02:08
musicollector QUOTE (polemon @ Oct 13 2011, 19:08) I be... Oct 27 2011, 02:39
MichaelW QUOTE (musicollector @ Oct 27 2011, 13:39... Oct 27 2011, 22:59
Goratrix QUOTE (MichaelW @ Oct 27 2011, 23:59) But... Oct 28 2011, 10:16

PoisonDan That's actually quite cool. Not really useful,... Oct 28 2011, 11:38

MichaelW QUOTE (Goratrix @ Oct 28 2011, 21:16) Som... Oct 28 2011, 21:51
musicollector QUOTE (MichaelW @ Oct 27 2011, 15:59) QUO... Oct 28 2011, 18:34
musicollector QUOTE (MichaelW @ Oct 27 2011, 15:59) QUO... Oct 29 2011, 04:14
Woodinville It would be nice if the author didn't deify he... Oct 14 2011, 02:15
testyou She's just an older person with nostalgia for ... Oct 14 2011, 03:16
andy o Sheesh, if that's your beef with the FluffPo, ... Oct 14 2011, 04:34
IgorC Vinyl was my first experience with music when I wa... Oct 14 2011, 04:51
hellokeith How much work has been done on vinyl simulation?
... Oct 14 2011, 06:33
FreaqyFrequency http://www.izotope.com/products/audio/vinyl/
If y... Oct 14 2011, 07:00
Glenn Gundlach QUOTE (FreaqyFrequency @ Oct 13 2011, 22... Oct 14 2011, 19:04
polemon This might me slightly off-topic, but I'm wond... Oct 14 2011, 10:58
mixminus1 QUOTE (polemon @ Oct 14 2011, 02:58) This... Oct 14 2011, 17:25
polemon QUOTE (mixminus1 @ Oct 14 2011, 18:25) It... Oct 15 2011, 01:24
dhromed Assuming the cutting process is flawless, you can ... Oct 14 2011, 11:07
FreaqyFrequency http://soundcloud.com/theastralobservatory...-gain... Oct 14 2011, 18:42
db1989 Surely, if they were really good, they could make ... Oct 27 2011, 23:18
kraut Most newly released LPs contain a link for a digit... Oct 28 2011, 02:03
Juha What 'bout sound of DBX 'coded' vinyls... Oct 28 2011, 14:28
Remedial Sound Here's another golden nugget from a reviewer a... Oct 28 2011, 17:20
DVDdoug QUOTE What 'bout sound of DBX 'coded' ... Oct 28 2011, 17:50
musicollector QUOTE (DVDdoug @ Oct 28 2011, 10:50) QUOT... Oct 29 2011, 04:10
Raptus It is a matter of aesthetics and not (how laymen o... Oct 28 2011, 19:37
db1989 QUOTE The only question then is, why bother to cut... Oct 28 2011, 22:03
d_headshot New music on both vinyl and digital sounds terribl... Oct 29 2011, 01:06
Brod QUOTE (d_headshot @ Oct 29 2011, 08:06) N... Feb 9 2012, 05:08
greynol QUOTE (Brod @ Feb 8 2012, 20:08) Hell, ev... Feb 9 2012, 06:24
Brod QUOTE (greynol @ Feb 9 2012, 13:24) ...in... Feb 9 2012, 17:38
skamp QUOTE (greynol @ Feb 9 2012, 06:24) QUOTE... Feb 10 2012, 15:19
ron spencer doesn't this depend on the mastering? Everybo... Oct 29 2011, 16:06
musicollector QUOTE (ron spencer @ Oct 29 2011, 09:06) ... Oct 29 2011, 21:52
RonaldDumsfeld QUOTE Something like This? smile.gif
That's J... Oct 29 2011, 21:26
smpltn It's all about the mastering at the time vinyl... Oct 29 2011, 22:37
mixminus1 It all depends on the choices made by the artists/... Oct 30 2011, 07:11
ron spencer That's the rub then...one needs to know how th... Oct 30 2011, 15:38
pdq They probably think that people who buy vinyl are ... Oct 31 2011, 01:44
liffy99 It's not the medium, it's the actual recor... Oct 31 2011, 10:05
pdq Actually the loudness button did something quite d... Oct 31 2011, 14:34
liffy99 QUOTE (pdq @ Oct 31 2011, 13:34) Actually... Oct 31 2011, 19:29
pdq QUOTE (liffy99 @ Oct 31 2011, 14:29) Well... Oct 31 2011, 19:56
Arnold B. Krueger QUOTE (liffy99 @ Oct 31 2011, 14:29) QUOT... Oct 31 2011, 20:56
Wombat How i was happy the first day i played a CD at hom... Oct 31 2011, 14:55
4sure When CDs first arrived, people often complaint abo... Nov 1 2011, 05:36
kraut QUOTE people often complaint about their harsh sou... Nov 1 2011, 06:51
mixminus1 Yes - for the past 25 years or so, the "audio... Nov 1 2011, 14:28
Roseval Vinyl sounds superior by design.
First step is to ... Feb 9 2012, 18:30
Paulhoff QUOTE (Roseval @ Feb 9 2012, 13:30) Vinyl... Feb 10 2012, 04:03
Brod The defects of vinyl are irrelevant if only the CD... Feb 10 2012, 08:44
Canar QUOTE (Brod @ Feb 9 2012, 23:44) The defe... Feb 10 2012, 08:55
Paulhoff QUOTE (Brod @ Feb 10 2012, 03:44) The def... Feb 10 2012, 15:04
Bartholomew MacGruber I've heard various arguments about vinyl being... Feb 10 2012, 15:33
julf QUOTE (Bartholomew MacGruber @ Feb 10 2012, 1... Feb 10 2012, 16:41
andy o QUOTE (julf @ Feb 10 2012, 07:41) QUOTE (... Feb 11 2012, 17:39
julf Why do you think it is misguided? Of course, you c... Feb 11 2012, 18:37
pdq If you don't change the volume setting while y... Feb 10 2012, 16:03
Paulhoff QUOTE (pdq @ Feb 10 2012, 11:03) If you d... Feb 10 2012, 16:30
Paulhoff With using dither, the dynamic range can be increa... Feb 10 2012, 17:02
k00zk0 A lot of people definitely like noise, and I'd... Feb 11 2012, 14:02
dumdidum QUOTE (k00zk0 @ Feb 11 2012, 14:02) For a... Feb 11 2012, 14:15
pdq I'm not sure that I would call it misguided ei... Feb 11 2012, 20:49
julf QUOTE (pdq @ Feb 11 2012, 20:49) When the... Feb 11 2012, 21:37
greynol The question was about dynamic resolution. Maybe ... Feb 11 2012, 21:40
julf QUOTE (greynol @ Feb 11 2012, 21:40) The ... Feb 11 2012, 22:02
krabapple QUOTE (julf @ Feb 11 2012, 16:02) QUOTE (... Feb 11 2012, 22:40
julf QUOTE (krabapple @ Feb 11 2012, 22:40) La... Feb 11 2012, 22:44
krabapple QUOTE (julf @ Feb 11 2012, 16:44) QUOTE (... Feb 11 2012, 22:58
andy o What I think he meant is that if there's any w... Feb 11 2012, 21:48
andy o I have a feeling for what he's trying to ask, ... Feb 11 2012, 22:18
bred QUOTE (Roseval @ Feb 9 2012, 18:30) Vinyl... Feb 12 2012, 12:22
pdq QUOTE (bred @ Feb 12 2012, 07:22) We don... Feb 12 2012, 14:14

Paulhoff QUOTE (pdq @ Feb 12 2012, 09:14) QUOTE (b... Feb 12 2012, 15:03
kraut QUOTE Ok your have right.
From the point view of a... Feb 12 2012, 20:00
lvqcl QUOTE But consider that our brain prefer the middl... Feb 12 2012, 13:40
LithosZA QUOTE ...Oh noes, this:
Off topic:
That preset i... Feb 12 2012, 14:20
kennedyb4 QUOTE (LithosZA @ Feb 12 2012, 08:20) QUO... Feb 12 2012, 14:30
Antigen This is the same war that actually is made by CD v... Feb 12 2012, 20:41
pdq If the human ear had been better than 16 bits of d... Feb 13 2012, 16:47
MichaelW QUOTE (pdq @ Feb 14 2012, 04:47) If the h... Feb 14 2012, 04:23
Gretschguy I think I'm in the minority on this thread.
I... Feb 14 2012, 06:50
cliveb QUOTE (Gretschguy @ Feb 14 2012, 05:50) I... Feb 14 2012, 10:03
kraut QUOTE The frequency range of LPs that I rip is far... Feb 14 2012, 07:48
knutinh QUOTE (kraut @ Feb 14 2012, 08:48) That i... Feb 14 2012, 09:01
Porcus QUOTE (kraut @ Feb 14 2012, 07:48) QUOTE ... Feb 14 2012, 09:07
knutinh QUOTE (Porcus @ Feb 14 2012, 10:07) Remem... Feb 14 2012, 09:15
Porcus QUOTE (knutinh @ Feb 14 2012, 09:15) I wa... Feb 14 2012, 09:26
Woodinville It is remarkably hard to run such a test, accurate... Feb 14 2012, 11:01![]() ![]() |
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